Suicide

[nebula]

A true christian truely living their life for Christ would not commit suicide. If you kill yourself you do go to hell and were no christian at all.

Please don't be so judgmental.

Any one of us is prone to any temptation (lust, greed, lying, gossip, revenge, self-exaltation, etc.). The temptation to end your own life can hit anyone. Satan does not discriminate his attacks, and our flesh is never strong enough to to be invulnerable wanting to die when things hit rock bottom. With that in mind, Christians can suffer chronic depression as much as anyone. I know, because I developed this early on in life - as a Christian who was actively seeking the Lord. I know what it is to plagued by the spirit of death. It is not easy to fight against. Really, it is nothing short of a miracle that I survived.

So please don't classify suicide as a separate sin from any of the others Christians are guilty of committing.

[Leonard]

There are three suicides recorded in Scripture. Before we launch into what we want to believe about it, or what we have been taught to believe about it, let's go to the Word, and see if the Word condemns the act.

[OneLight]

There are three suicides recorded in Scripture. Before we launch into what we want to believe about it, or what we have been taught to believe about it, let's go to the Word, and see if the Word condemns the act.

Excellent point!

[The Lorax]

Does suicide send a soul directly to Hell?

Lorax .. are you contemplating suicide or is this a theoretical question? Everyone here assumes that this is why you posted.

OneLight

I have a troubled friend. Thanks for the responses.

[Ovedya]

Is it possible then that there are in fact two unforgivable sins?

Yes, there is, but I don't think people are understanding this correctly. An unforgivable sin, for us, is one that is not repented of. Just because I commit a sin does not mean that it is automatically forgiven. Sin is forgiven when we repent of the sin and go to God in prayer for forgiveness.

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

This says, "IF" we confess our sins he will forgive them. The "IF" makes it conditional that if I don't confess then I won't receive forgiveness.

If I commit suicide then there is no room for repentance and I die committing a sin.

1 John 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

So then there are two unforgivable sins rather than just one as the Bible says.

Problem with that is, the Bible never says that a sin unrepented of is unforgivable. That is a doctrine that you (and likely many others) have formulated as the result of changing the meaning of a verse.

See, you are reading 1 John 1:9 as "unless we confess our sins God will not forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness." But the verse does not say "unless" at all, and neither does it argue in the passage (or anywhere else in the Scriptures that I have found) that the unforgiven sin results in eternal punishment.

Essentially your view results in the same judgment for the Christian as for the unbeliever. The unbeliever lives a life in sin and offenses, dies, and goes to hell. The believer who, possibly, at the final moment of life does not confess a sin, dies, and then goes to hell. So then, potentially, a believer can live his entire life in service to God, following all of God's commandments, gaining lost souls to Christ, educating, preserving and building up the saints, and in one final moment of weakness commits a sin and then dies, and then go to hell because that one unconfessed sin cannot be forgiven by God. God then must be a malevolent God, because He would in an instant forget all of the dutiful service of His servant due to the single unconfessed sin, and commit that servant to an eternity of punishment.

This view also causes God to be limited in power and beholden to man. Because God is limited to the scope of man's asking forgiveness for sin, He is powerless to forgive sin, and powerless to usher His believers into the kingdom. That, however, is uncharacteristic of God. God forgave us our sins because of the one death of Christ - in spite of ourselves. He did not demand that we ask Him to substitute Christ as a sacrifice on our behalf, He did it in spite of ourselves, because we are completely incapable of attaining to the righteousness which He requires of us.

[exrockstar]

Does suicide send a soul directly to Hell?

A saved soul..."no" but you may lose rewards.

[exrockstar]

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

This says, "IF" we confess our sins he will forgive them. The "IF" makes it conditional that if I don't confess then I won't receive forgiveness.

If I commit suicide then there is no room for repentance and I die committing a sin.

you confess sins to be in fellowship NOT to enter heaven.

didnt ya know?

[exrockstar]

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

This says, "IF" we confess our sins he will forgive them. The "IF" makes it conditional that if I don't confess then I won't receive forgiveness.

If I commit suicide then there is no room for repentance and I die committing a sin.

you confess sins to be in fellowship NOT to enter heaven.

didnt ya know?

How about proving that Biblically? First, prove that if someone commits suicide, all they will lose is rewards, and secondly, prove that the only purpose for confessing one's sins is fellowship and not to enter heaven. You make a lot of statements, yet you give nothing to back them up.

take notes (which i know youre fixed on your views):

1 John 1:

6If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

7But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

8If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

that is fellowship.

as for eternal life:

there are a few posted in this thread which you probably have decided not to read. Here is

another one:

1John 5:

10Anyone who believes in the Son of God has this testimony in his heart. Anyone who does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because he has not believed the testimony God has given about his Son. 11And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

Suicide or murder NOR any sin determine whether you have eternal life.

This may be something you are purposefully rejecting.

[Openly Curious]

Does suicide send a soul directly to Hell?

Hi Lorax,

It is my opinion in this debate if a soul would go to hell if they commited suicide that there is no clear cut answer that one can give as an answer. There are just as many that will tell you yes than they are that will tell you no on the subject of suicide.

I am not the one who should judge such matters so the one who is contemplating suicide and are having second thoughts about it because of fear of going to hell all I got to say to you is that the risk of suicide and winding up in hell because of it is all in your hands and in no one elses as the choice is your own choice in life and you have to live with the consequences of it like we all do. again the risk is solely yours on the matter and there are high stakes involved that you are putting up in this great risk of choosing suicide.

OC

[exrockstar]

ive always found Christians that talk use quotes such as "transgresseth also the law" humorous.

They try to parallel "backward living" and Old Testament Law.

oh well....