Calvin vs. Arminius

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Came across an interesting verse in my QT today:

And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed.

Acts 13:48 NASB

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Great verse, Eric. Clear as a sunny day.

[mrs]

Umm..have a question.....Did you all know that Clavin murdered a man named Michael Severtus for failing to adhere to Calvins doctrine on the trinity?

Ummm.... all those guys were a bunch of well educated theologians...

Know who the greatest theologian of all times is?

Hint...J.C...

Does anyone ascribe to His teachings?

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If I may say, that though Calvin expanded and developed what is known as Calvinism, it is firstly taught as Biblical. I don't agree with everything Calvin did or taught, I only believe Calvinism because I believe it is Biblical.

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In seminary I did a paper and in my research identified over 500 theologians.

They all thought they were right too.

In TULIP Calvin presents only 1 side of a theology.

Arminian another.

How many of you know who Karl Barth is? He proposes another and is much more accurate than either Calvin or Arminian.

For instance, in TULIP Calvin ignores one of the most reknowned teachings in SCripture.. JOhn 3:16. You cant believe in Calvin's theology and John 3:16 they are mutually exclusive. Because Calvin believes in limited atonement.

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For instance, in TULIP Calvin ignores one of the most reknowned teachings in SCripture.. JOhn 3:16. You cant believe in Calvin's theology and John 3:16 they are mutually exclusive. Because Calvin believes in limited atonement.

No they aren't. That is a false statement.

[Guest JAR61]

No they aren't. That is a false statement

How am I wrong? Limited Atonement means Christ only came for the elect not the whole world.

John 3:16 says the opposite

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*** Edited as I no longer believe the Calvinism is Biblical ***

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"Whosoever believeth in Him will not perish but have everlasting life."

Exactly. No contradiction at all.

No they aren't. That is a false statement

How am I wrong? Limited Atonement means Christ only came for the elect not the whole world.

John 3:16 says the opposite

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Because only God's Elect will believe ( because they have been/will be called by God to do so )...so in effect, it's ( John 3:16 ) in complete agreement with the doctrine of Limited Atonement.

Be blessed,

Tim

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Exactly Tim. As Eric already posted - those He appointed believed, exactly as the Holy Scriptures state.

[Guest JAR61]

John 3:16 says... WHOSOEVER.... and does not make the case for Limited Atonement.

I'd like to continue this but it seems that you are trying to construct an erroneous defense using improper Scriptures..... so this is what Im going to do. Im going to give you a list of SCriptures and let you see for yourself how Calvin's Limited Atonement can be challanged.

Now, I can probably better list all the SCriptures that support Calvin's views... I don't want you to use them... I want you to take these Scriptures and use them when discussing Limited Atonement.

John 3.16, 1.29, 2.1, 4.14

I John 2.1-6

Rom: 10.4-21, 11.11-24, 1.18-32, 11.15, 5.8, 5.18

Gal 3.21-22

Heb 2.9, 10.29

Mat. 20.28, 24.14, 28.19, 11.28

ICor8.11

2Pet 2.1, 3.9

Acts 1.8, 17.30

Tit 2.11

Luke 23.34

IJohn 2.2

Isa. 53.6

2Pet 2.1

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*** Edited as I no longer believe the Calvinism is Biblical ***

[Guest JAR61]

Well with reasoning like that it's time for me to respectfully end our discussion.