Why all the anger?

[Guest shiloh357]

QUOTE(shiloh357 @ Dec 18 2007, 06:59 PM)

No, not purity... honesty. I was not the one that made it go the direction it went. I was content to debate the facts.

No, actually that is incorrect.

Seems to me that you have set up a standard...that the mod's obviously support...that you can insult and berate ANYONE who has a negative opinion of Israeli policies. In fact, it has become Worthy policy that ANYONE who brings up ANY negativity about Israel they are no better than skinheads, and friends of terrorists.

That again is a false charge. I have never said any of those things. What you are doing is projecting your perception on to me. You put the lie in my mouth and then argue against it. I have never called anyone a friend of terrorists and I have never called anyone a skin head. See, this is just more of the irrational, factless stuff I had to suffer from you in that thread. I have not berated you and I have not called you any names, nor have I have denigrated your character.

You are the only one who engaged in what would truly be considered insults. You basically questioned my Christianity, accused me of idolatary of brainwashing people through drugged koolaid and so forth. None of that came from me. You were the one who got frustrated and you were the one who made it personal.

Secondly, I was not confronting you because you have a negative opinion about Israel. Heck I have expressed some negative opinions about Israel. I have never confronted anyone on that basis. I confronted you because you were basing your opinion on misinformation, half-truths and even made up bogus "facts." In fact, that is the only basis upon which I have confronted anyone where Israel is concerned. The problem is that I am able stand for Israel on the basis of facts, and I am typically more studied and well versed in the history and dymanics of the conflict than any of Israel's critics. I can separate fact from fiction. A lot of the stuff you said about Israel was just fiction and I called it down and exposed it.

There is stark difference bewtween just having a "negative opinion" and just engaging in down right denigration.

The difference between myself and my criticisms of Israel is that unlike YOU and unlike others on this board, I criticize Israel to make it better not to just tear them down as bunch of spoiled, ungrateful brats. I don't always agree with Israel, but the difference is that I love the people of Israel more than I dislike some of the things they do.

I recognize that Israel has made mistakes. Israelis are humans and they are not perfect in all their ways. I dont pretend that Israel should be set up on a pedestal as untouchable. Israel doesn't always get it right. I cannot defend everything Israel does. However, Israel's mistakes have been made in a sincere desire to defend the people, not out of any sadistic desire to brutalize or terrorize the Palestinians. Whatever mistakes Israel has made, those mistakes would not have been made in the first place were Israel not having to suffer day and night terrorism multiple wars of self-defense and crushing pressure from the rest of the world to commit national suicide.

People expect to be villified...harrassed...belittled...and subjected to name-calling whenever they say something remotely negative about Israel. That is the standard that YOU and the MOD's have established!

You are not innocent...and you are not being honest. You just feel justified because nobody has called you on it yet.

Again that is just a false perception you (and maybe a few others) want to project because of none of you can engage me on the facts (at least not for very long). So, when everyone runs out of misinformation, conspiracy theories, half-truths, etc., it is not surprising that they have to resort to charges like what you have made.

I have been on these boards for four years and in that time there were only a few people who ever demonstrated that they were truly anti-Semitic and most of them were "drive by posters" they came to the boards to fight about Israel for a couple of weeks and then left. Those types come and go. I have the ability to know the difference between people who are anti-Semtic and those who are just naive about the things that pertain to Israel.

I did not say I am innocent. I have at times, lost my cool and said things there were out of line. That does not make me any worse than anyone else on this board that has done the same thing. I am simply saying that I am not the cause for that thread to go south.

[Guest Biblicist]

So be it Vickilynn. You may choose to not help another by not showing them they are doing something wrong. I will help another anyway I can.

Matthew 18:15 "If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you.

[Vickilynn]

So be it Vickilynn. You may choose to not help another by not showing them they are doing something wrong.

Shalom Alan,

That's not what I said, you misunderstand. I said there are Scriptural ways to handle this type of thing and a public thread is not one of them. There are plenty of ways I can help people without trying to parent them or be their Holy Spirit.

As I have stated several times and Bib posted so timely:

Matthew 18:15 "If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you.

I can be angry, but control the words I use.

Once again, you are assuming that someone's words are not controlled, when that may not be the case at all. You don't seem to see what I'm getting at. You are making assumptions about people's state of mind and heart motives by their words and that is not always correct.

We should leave this subject alone, for Cobalt is correct and I have asked that this thread be closed for that same reason. It has turned into what I was talking about in the first place. This from someone who has only read the posts and has nothing to do with this thread.

Again, if you get upset when someone disagrees with you, you may wish to reconsider whether message boards are the place for you. I am not angry, nor have I acted in anger towards you. However, I strongly disagree with you. That's to be expected on a message board and there is nothing wrong with that.

I do hope the Mods close this thread because I believe it never was edifying. and in fact, may have ignited more upset from several people.

[OneLight]

So be it Vickilynn. You may choose to not help another by not showing them they are doing something wrong. I will help another anyway I can.

Matthew 18:15 "If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you.

Thank you Sister for your concern, but she has not sinned against me, or I would of done so. We just are butting heads ... she has her point and I have mine. We just strongly disagree with each other's view on what is being said here.

OneLight

[Vickilynn]

So be it Vickilynn. You may choose to not help another by not showing them they are doing something wrong. I will help another anyway I can.

Matthew 18:15 "If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you.

Thank you Sister for your concern, but she has not sinned against me, or I would of done so. We just are butting heads ... she has her point and I have mine. We just strongly disagree with each other's view on what is being said here.

OneLight

Shalom Alan,

I may be way off-base here, but I read Bib's post as saying that "helping one another" is correctly done according to Matthew 18, showing them in private, not in a public thread. I don't believe she was talking about you and I. But, I could be wrong and this is a perfect example of how 2 people can read the same words and see 2 different things in it, and unless we ASK the writer, we may never know which one is the truth. The same thing should be done with other posts.

[OneLight]

So be it Vickilynn. You may choose to not help another by not showing them they are doing something wrong. I will help another anyway I can.

Matthew 18:15 "If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you.

Thank you Sister for your concern, but she has not sinned against me, or I would of done so. We just are butting heads ... she has her point and I have mine. We just strongly disagree with each other's view on what is being said here.

OneLight

Shalom Alan,

I may be way off-base here, but I read Bib's post as saying that "helping one another" is correctly done according to Matthew 18, showing them in private, not in a public thread. I don't believe she was talking about you and I. But, I could be wrong and this is a perfect example of how 2 people can read the same words and see 2 different things in it, and unless we ASK the writer, we may never know which one is the truth. The same thing should be done with other posts.

I don't know Vickilynn, it seemed pretty clear to me. She quoted me talking to you. But to clear this up ... what say you, Biblicist?

[Vickilynn]

I don't know Vickilynn, it seemed pretty clear to me. She quoted me talking to you. But to clear this up ... what say you, Biblicist?

Shalom Alan,

Of course it seemed clear to you.

And I read her post completely differently and it seemed plain as day to me.

I was shocked to see your response because I could not see why you thought she was talking about you and I.

And then, I responded to you because the L-rd brought to my mind that this is JUST what happens on message boards. The READER interprets and may wrongly assume the motives of the poster, not to mention wrongly assume the meaning of the post. This little example just drove my point home. One of us is incorrect, and only Bib can tell us.

Just as you read other posts, please remember that the READER may not be reading the post accurately and one should ask the writer if there is any question, before assuming.

[OneLight]

I don't know Vickilynn, it seemed pretty clear to me. She quoted me talking to you. But to clear this up ... what say you, Biblicist?

Shalom Alan,

Of course it seemed clear to you.

And I read her post completely differently and it seemed plain as day to me.

I was shocked to see your response because I could not see why you thought she was talking about you and I.

And then, I responded to you because the L-rd brought to my mind that this is JUST what happens on message boards. The READER interprets and may wrongly assume the motives of the poster, not to mention wrongly assume the meaning of the post. This little example just drove my point home. One of us is incorrect, and only Bib can tell us.

Just as you read other posts, please remember that the READER may not be reading the post accurately and one should ask the writer if there is any question, before assuming.

What do you mean shocked? You say you could not see why I thought she was talking about you and I when in fact she quoted me posting to you. Come on, Vickilynn, I asked Biblicist to clear this up. Why not wait until she does?

As far as the Lord bring something to you mind, maybe the Lord is trying to tell you something about yourself. The Holy Spirit does work that way.

By the way, would you please answer the question I asked you in post # 144. Here it is again, to save you the trouble of searching the threads.

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As I said, it is not our job to "bring out what is wrong" in another brother or sister.

If this is truly your belief, then why are you trying to do so with me?

OneLight

[damo1]

damo1

i cant belive what i am hearing is this thread know an open war zone were we just attack each other with out thinking ? no wonder new christians are giving up on god and going back to their old life style at least in the secular world people will tell you to your face you have offended them and not openly say stupid things in cyber space to were any one in the world can read what is being said hear

so was Jesus death on the cross then in vain ?

were does it say we have the right to pick and choose who we are going to forgive ? just as Jesus forgives us we are to do the same and learn to hear each other out

i was realy enjoying this topic that brother one light had set up at least he had the guts to say what was on his mind and openly said how he felt

i am very dissapointed with what i have been reading in the last sevral posts that have been left i am reading this from Australia and that means if i am reading this from Australia any one in the world can be reading this

satan is realy enjoying him self hear as this is what he wants to show the world how stupid and how foolish gods people are

i pray that no new christian is reading this as my main concern is for the new christians who have just given their hearts to god and the non belivers that come hear searching for fellowship i can honestly say if i was a young christian and i was reading this i would have walked as this is showing people who do log on to worthy that people can not even walk in unity with each other

i am very dissapointed and i am glad i am going to be off line as of the 27th dec this wil give me a chance to thank god for what he has done in my life and catch up with those that had an impact in my life and thank the people in my old church openly and in humilty for never giving up on me even if my sin was thrown in my face these people repented asked god to forgive them for throwing my sin in my face and out of concern for me they just kept on praying and trusting that god wil do the rest

well i can say one thing this will make me think next time i have to say some thing from the heart its as if their are double standards hear this is how topics get clossed when we cant talk in a decent manner on a subject

the disciples even argued among them selves and Jesus had to rebuke them how many times did peter get rebuked and when ever peter got rebuked by jesus his love for jesus grew i hope this topic of one lights does not get clossed but the last sevral thread hear get deleeted by one of the moderating teams as i have seen this done hear were a thread is deleeted if a person is comming under attack and i could say the same thing as i read why tell some one if this forum is not for them to leave so please tell me who is allowed to be hear is it only special people who agree with each other ?

know you can attack me from what i shared from the heart i am only human but i do not act like a goat towards those i want to get to know and learn from

god bless from damo

[Vickilynn]

What do you mean shocked?

Shalom Alan,

Maybe surprised is more accurate.

You say you could not see why I thought she was talking about you and I when in fact she quoted me posting to you. Come on, Vickilynn, I asked Biblicist to clear this up. Why not wait until she does?

Goodness Alan, are you getting irritated or something? I am free to post as you are. Just commenting is all, replying to your post, and in good-natured from my side. If you don't wish to respond to my posts, that would be fine with me. BTW, Bib is offline for the night, so why don't you just quit posting then? Take thy own advice.

As far as the Lord bring something to you mind, maybe the Lord is trying to tell you something about yourself.

Hmmm, could be viewed as pretty catty there dude. Nope, I know what HE showed me, in what context and what it related to, and you don't. There again, you made an assumption which wasn't true.