Gay and lesbian ministers

[Guest Shilo]

The churches that allow gays as ministers don't follow the old law at all.

And churches that allow female ministers don't follow the new law either.....and those churches that allow female lesbian ministers are way out of touch with God...

Amen brother shilo!

Praise the Lord..we have an accord

[salt and light]

Andrew007,

You are denying what Paul told Timothy in 1Timothy chapter 2 and 3. That is the problem with most so called christians today,they don't like what God said,so they try to intrepret it in a way to suit them. Did Jesus pick 6 women and 6 men for his disciples? no He did not, were the deacons women? no. The bible makes it quite plain what the role of women are,and anybody who has a problem with that,is having a problem with God. I'm not trying to sound rude or smart,but hey,I don't tickle anybody's ears. I speak the truth from God's word,and I know that this topic was about "gay" ministers,and I gave my thoughts on that yesterday, and Andrew and everybody else who reads this, have a good evening,for I'm leaving for Wed. night bible study.

God Bless you all

[JP1]

I love it how some people try to frighten others into their interpretation of the scripture by saying that if you don't agree with them, you don't agree with God. :suspect:

[Andrew007]

EXCUSE ME ARE YOU CALLING ME A "SO CALLED CHRISTIAN"???

GOD IS NO RESPECTOR OF PERSON. HE USES THE WILLING VESSEL!

[Andrew007]

http://www.bible.com/answers/awomemin.html

[gypc]

http://www.bible.com/answers/awomemin.html

Yep!! That about sums it up. I would suggest to people to dive into the word before you make comments such as "women shoudn't preach"

One thing I've seen on this board is people are quick to speak. Slow down brothers and sisters and seek God in his word before you comment. We need to really pray before we make these kind of comments!!

The Lord's peace to you all!

[Guest mcm42]

Yep!! That about sums it up. I would suggest to people to dive into the word before you make comments such as "women shoudn't preach"

One thing I've seen on this board is people are quick to speak. Slow down brothers and sisters and seek God in his word before you comment. We need to really pray before we make these kind of comments!!

This is just a pet-peave of mine...

Why do people do this? "Go back to your Bible until you come to my conclusions!" That is the basic assumption here. God forbid you wake up one morning open your Bible and find out "Hey I was wrong!" Why don't we just assume the same amount of study has gone into the issue, and we are all debating on the same level, unless the person admits that they haven't been there, which often is the case.

This is no argument... I think it presumes that you have done more study than the poster who disagrees with you. That is no basis to argue upon. Presumably a 1 year bible student who has accurate beliefs, will not be (or should not be) consider wrong just based on his 1 year as opposed to his 10 years. The 1 year Bible student can be just as wrong as the 10 year, only difference being the 10 year has a lot harder time admitting it!

Luckily I'm about a 5-6 year, so I'm right in the middle, I have not enough Bible study and a really hard time admitting I'm wrong,

Personally I'm not for Women in Leadership...amongst the other arguments I have to wonder how a woman can meet this qualification Titus 1 :"namely, if any man is above reproach, the husband of one wife,"

But hey, that's my view, and I've probably done just as much study as the next guy, and I've come to this conclusion. Thus far I am not persuaded otherwise... that should be respected.

At any rate this is not a forum about any of this so I'll quiet down now... just my view... I'm sure this is going to light some fire works... oh well... wouldn't be the first time, and I'm sure it will not be the last!

[salt and light]

I'm certainly not trying to frighten anybody by my so called misinterpretation of scripture. God says what He means and means what He says. Study your bible a little more. My wife even says that women shouldn't preach,and women in my church even say that. A preacher on a local radio station was talking about that recently. The problem with christians today is, they smorgersboard God's word, they pick and choose what they like and forget the rest of what they don't like. Andrew, I didn't mean to offend you by calling you a "so called christian", and I apologize,but I know what God says, I don't claim to know it all, but I do know what I know,and have 619 bible verses memorized,not to brag,so please don't think I am. Men are special, women are special,and they both have their part in God's divine plan,and women are not to preach,and sorry to say,that any person that has a problem with what GOD says,not what I say,has a problem with God,period.

[cheercoach]

staying off topic...

Look around in your churches. What is the ratio of women to men? Maybe women are preaching because the men aren't willing.

I don't have any problem, biblically, with women preaching/ teaching God's word. I don't think it's biblical for a woman to be a pastor or in some other authority over a man, but there is kingdom work to be done and in every church I've been in, there are far more women than men.

[Work in Progress]

Salt and Light, I totally agree with you. God made men and women differently, each with their unique and special roles. It is such a PLEASURE to be a woman the way God intended. We have our own unique and special and very important ministries in the body. But, unfortunately, pride has gotten into some women's hearts and they can not stand the thought of something they "can't" do. It is the age old problem - God said not to do it, so naturally the person immediately wants to do it.

I will never understand women who believe it is some sort of put down that the female was not appointed as the head, the instructor, the Pastor, the teacher etc. If only many women would embrace the wonderful ministry that God has given them, so much more would be accomplished in the body. But they are busy insisting they are 'just as good as men', 'God is no respector of persons', they insist they have a gift and have been called - and all the while, their true gifts and callings are left undone due to their stubborness.

One particular pet peeve of mine is the excuse/rationalization "well, there are no men who can/will/are able to do it/take the class. Oh, okay. So it's okay to go against God when there doesn't seem to be any other way? LOL

I'm sure my very strong opinion will be unpopular but, hey, it won't be the first time.