Is God All Knowing?

[Rick-Parker]

I'm right there with ya, C.

[nebula]

nebula wrote:

In the Scripture, God is called "Who was, who is and who is to come."

What do you see that to mean?

God was in the past, before he created the cosmos. God is in the present, right now with us and he will be right there in the future with us, in the present time years from now, just as he is now and was in the past. It

[nebula]

I'm sorry to be so insistent about this

No you're not!

[HAZARD]

Me too unred typo.

Regarding time, and I know others will shoot this down as they do everything else which does not align with their thoughts, but I will give Scriptural support.

Scripture teaches that eternity is made up of time and that time shall not cease. There is a time and a season for everything done under the sun (Eccl. 3). God originally made the sun, moon, and stars to regulate times and seasons on the eternal Earth. The work of day four was the permanent restoration of the solar system in connection with the restored Earth, to divide the day from the night; and to be for signs and for seasons, and for days and years forever (Gen. 1:14-18). This solar regulation causing eternal time on the Earth is eternal: "They shall fear thee as long as the sun and moon endure, throughout all generations . . . .His name shall endure for ever: His name shall be continued as long as the sun" (Ps. 72: 5 and 17); "I have sworn unto David my servant, Thy seed will I establish for ever . . . . his throne as the days of Heaven . . . . as the sun before me. It shall be established forever as the moon" (Ps. 89:4, 27-37).

God promised Noah that there would be day and night, summer and winter, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, forever on the Earth (Gen. 8:22).

The Earth is eternal; so time made up of seconds, minutes, hours, days, weeks, months, and years is also eternal (Eccl. 1:4; Ps. 104:5). When the Bible says "There shall be no night there" it speaks of the city, the New Jerusalem, and not the Earth outside of the city (Rev. 21:23-27).

We are in eternity now. As we have seen in the above Scriptures, eternity has always existed for God has always existed from everlasting to everlasting (Ps. 41:13).

"For thus saith the high and lofty ONE that inhabiteth eternity, who's name is Holy . . . "(Isa. 57:15), and eternity will be made up of time as we now know it; so if time continues eternally as it is now, in the sense of being eternal time we are now in eternity. We do not mean by this that we are now in our eternal state, for that will not be true until we enter into immortality (1 Cor. 15:51-58; Phil. 3:20-21). But we can truly say that we are in time that will be eternal and that we are in part of eternity now.

Just what God did in the eternal dateless past no one knows, for He has not revealed His activities from all eternity past (Deut. 29:29). All we know is that God existed from all eternity, and that at sometime, in the dateless past God brought into being the heavens and the earth and all things originally made therein.

That God existed from all eternity is very clear in Scripture: "Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hast formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God" (Ps. 90:2). "Thy throne is established of old; thou art from everlasting" (Ps.93:2; Prov. 8:22-31; Micah 5:2; Heb. 9:14; John 1:1-3; Rev. 1:4-8; 4:8; 22:5, 13).

If God is from the eternal past, which is time past, and God, man, and the Earth will continue into the eternal future, then continued time, which is time from now on into eternity, then we can say time has always existed with God, or there would be no mentioning of time eternal "past."

God is from everlasting to everlasting. Everlasting what? Everlasting time of course.

[eric]

Hey Unred,....you sure got this one right,

ok, maybe i am a teensy bit opinionated... confrontational

[Guest shiloh357]

The concept of God being outside of time just doesn't work, either logically, realistically or biblically.

It is exactly how the Bible describes God, though. You can't wrap your mind around it, so you assume it can't be true, as if God is locked into only being what you can understand. God is the creator time. Jesus, who is the creator God, is the father the originator of eternity . That has been demonstrated, but you choose to reject the Word of God and prefer your "logic" instead.

Jesus is also the sustainer of the entire universe, and that includes time. Everything is held together by His power. That means that Jesus in order to that has to be separate from His creation. He is outside of the universe, outside of time, and must be in order to sustain and maintain it. God is not living in the same cage of linear time as we are.

Your view does nothing but diminish God limiting His ability as existing only within the walls of the box your imagination has concocted for Him to live in.

[Guest shiloh357]

Scripture teaches that eternity is made up of time and that time shall not cease.

Wrong. Eternity is not made up of time, because time can be measured. Eternity has no beginning and no end, and is therefore unmeasurable. Eternity, like God exists outside of time.

Linear time, namely time on earth as we know it exists inside of eternity, but it is not eternity. When we leave this world, we step out of time into eternity.

The Bible always contrasts with eternity with time. It emphasizes God's eternal nature and existence over and against both man's existence and the false god's that men have concocted. It emphasizes God's existence over and against the temporal nature of this universe. God, unlike the universe, is not snared by time, and is not bound captive to it as we are.

If God is from the eternal past, which is time past, and God, man, and the Earth will continue into the eternal future, then continued time, which is time from now on into eternity, then we can say time has always existed with God, or there would be no mentioning of time eternal "past."

We call it "eternal past" beause that is how we relate to it. God uses the terms because He communicates with us in terms we can comprehend.

Eternity is too big for the human mind to conceive as is God's quality of being infinite. God is infinite in every sphere of His existance meaning that it is foolish to say that "God can only know this much, and no more." God's mind is infinite and there is no person who is qualified to place a limit on what it is possible or not possible for God to know.

[getat151]

wow this is still going on? look at the mess i started lol.

[HAZARD]

Scripture teaches that eternity is made up of time and that time shall not cease.

Wrong. Eternity is not made up of time, because time can be measured. Eternity has no beginning and no end, and is therefore unmeasurable. Eternity, like God exists outside of time.

Linear time, namely time on earth as we know it exists inside of eternity, but it is not eternity. When we leave this world, we step out of time into eternity.

The Bible always contrasts with eternity with time. It emphasizes God's eternal nature and existence over and against both man's existence and the false god's that men have concocted. It emphasizes God's existence over and against the temporal nature of this universe. God, unlike the universe, is not snared by time, and is not bound captive to it as we are.

If God is from the eternal past, which is time past, and God, man, and the Earth will continue into the eternal future, then continued time, which is time from now on into eternity, then we can say time has always existed with God, or there would be no mentioning of time eternal "past."

We call it "eternal past" beause that is how we relate to it. God uses the terms because He communicates with us in terms we can comprehend.

Eternity is too big for the human mind to conceive as is God's quality of being infinite. God is infinite in every sphere of His existance meaning that it is foolish to say that "God can only know this much, and no more." God's mind is infinite and there is no person who is qualified to place a limit on what it is possible or not possible for God to know.

Hi mate.

Eternity can measured and is measurable as the Scriptures I have gleaned from the Bible regardiong time and eternity plainly state this. Did you happen to see my last post mate?

I wrote;

Scripture teaches that eternity is made up of time and that time shall not cease. There is a time and a season for everything done under the sun (Eccl. 3). God originally made the sun, moon, and stars to regulate times and seasons on the eternal Earth. The work of day four was the permanent restoration of the solar system in connection with the restored Earth, to divide the day from the night; and to be for signs and for seasons, and for days and years forever (Gen. 1:14-18). This solar regulation causing eternal time on the Earth is eternal: "They shall fear thee as long as the sun and moon endure, throughout all generations . . . .His name shall endure for ever: His name shall be continued as long as the sun" (Ps. 72: 5 and 17); "I have sworn unto David my servant, Thy seed will I establish for ever . . . . his throne as the days of Heaven . . . . as the sun before me. It shall be established forever as the moon" (Ps. 89:4, 27-37).

God promised Noah that there would be day and night, summer and winter, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, forever on the Earth (Gen. 8:22).

The Earth is eternal; so time made up of seconds, minutes, hours, days, weeks, months, and years is also eternal (Eccl. 1:4; Ps. 104:5). When the Bible says "There shall be no night there" it speaks of the city, the New Jerusalem, and not the Earth outside of the city (Rev. 21:23-27).

We are in eternity now. As we have seen in the above Scriptures, eternity has always existed for God has always existed from everlasting to everlasting (Ps. 41:13).

"For thus saith the high and lofty ONE that inhabiteth eternity, who's name is Holy . . . "(Isa. 57:15), and eternity will be made up of time as we now know it; so if time continues eternally as it is now, in the sense of being eternal time we are now in eternity. We do not mean by this that we are now in our eternal state, for that will not be true until we enter into immortality (1 Cor. 15:51-58; Phil. 3:20-21). But we can truly say that we are in time that will be eternal and that we are in part of eternity now.

Just what God did in the eternal dateless past no one knows, for He has not revealed His activities from all eternity past (Deut. 29:29). All we know is that God existed from all eternity, and that at sometime, in the dateless past God brought into being the heavens and the earth and all things originally made therein.

That God existed from all eternity is very clear in Scripture: "Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hast formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God" (Ps. 90:2). "Thy throne is established of old; thou art from everlasting" (Ps.93:2; Prov. 8:22-31; Micah 5:2; Heb. 9:14; John 1:1-3; Rev. 1:4-8; 4:8; 22:5, 13).

If God is from the eternal past, which is time past, and God, man, and the Earth will continue into the eternal future, then continued time, which is time from now on into eternity, then we can say time has always existed with God, or there would be no mentioning of time eternal "past."

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God created the sun, moon and stars to regulate TIME ON THE EARTH, time which has always existed according to Scripture. God is "from everlasting to everlasting;" everlasting what? read these scriptures again;

That God existed from all eternity is very clear in Scripture: "Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hast formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God" (Ps. 90:2). "Thy throne is established of old; thou art from everlasting" (Ps.93:2; Prov. 8:22-31; Micah 5:2; Heb. 9:14; John 1:1-3; Rev. 1:4-8; 4:8; 22:5, 13). Everlasting to everlasting what? Everlasting time, thats what! Its so clear I dont understand why no one gets it? If its not everlasting time then what is it? Everlasting what? Marbels? Pickup-sticks? Jew's harps? I wonder what answer some will come up with, not that I will be surprised.

This thread is about God knowing all things. My understanding is plainly stated in all my previous posts. I believe God created us absolutly free moral agents and in doing so, He does not know what we will decide untill we actually decide what we will do. Its called Free Will, and God does not interfere in it.

Free moral agency consists of intellect, sensibility, and free will, and these form the foundation of moral obligation to moral government.

The intellect includes reason, and self-determination. The sensibility includes self-consciousness, all sensation, desire, emotion, passion, and all feeling. Free will is the power of choice concerning moral law. It is man's faculty of choosing good or evil without compulsion or necessity.

Absolute free will is man's God created faculty of choosing good or evil without compulsion or necessity. It was originally created in man, and man will have it in all eternity.

The basis of right choice, Moral obligation, is to always act for the best good of all. Nothing can happen in life but what is the choice of someone. It is all important that right choices be made that will effect the greatest public and private good. Free Moral Agents are always allowed by God to choose. God never forces any obedience.

If choices are made that had good intentions but did not turn out for the best, or if choices are made with bad intentions and they turned out to be good, the one making the choice will be held responsible for the intention and would not be judged on the basis of accomplishments. God shows by His Word that He respects the intention more than the results of the outward actions (2 Cor. 8:12; Mark 7:15-23; James 1:13-15; 3:9-14). God considers all vice and virtue as coming from the heart. Where the heart is right, all is considdered right, and where the heart is bad, then all is considered bad (Matt. 7:15-21). Even sinners do some things outwardly that are required by God, but their heart is not right. Their intention is generally selfish, and the acts themselves do not change their heart.

[Guest shiloh357]

You judge me but you don