Mark 16- Should there be believers drinking any deadly thing?

[exrockstar]

These signs and wonders were for the purpose of converting the lost.

exactly and NO ONE NEVER SEES THAT.

[Openly Curious]

My guess is no. Arsenic anyone? But the end of Mark, as some are sure to know:

17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Maybe its metaphor. We're supposed to have great faith, and can move mountains. But not physically move a mountain.

I imagine people have drunk things & died for not understanding the verse right. But a few can speak in tongues, heal, handle snakes, & cast out devils.

Anyway, thanks.

It is my understanding that the disciples didn't literally pick up poisonous snakes nor intentionally drink poison either. But if while ministering for the Lord a snake should bite one of His disciples then it would not kill them. A example of this was when Paul was shipwrecked in the book of Acts on an island and a snake had came out of the fire and latched onto his hand and Paul shook the snake off into the fire and kept doing what he was doing and the people that lived on the island thought him for dead but Paul wasn't bothered at all by the venimous snake so the people thought he was a god then. But the story shows how that while in the service of the Lord then nothing deadly can hurt us. And if someone wants to give us something poison to drink in order to get rid of us then faith in God and faithfulness to the Lord's work can prevent it from hurting us. But these verses are grossly misunderstood and interpreted.

OC

[patricia1]

not all of the gifts of the Spirit are for conversion. We need healing, we look to the healer..Jesus Christ.

We need, we look to the provider, Abba.

We need to speak in tongues whether for the edification of ourselves ,or to speak in a foreign language to convert someone... we again look to the giver.

If one walks in the way of the Lord Miracles cannot help but follow,

To take advantage of the Mercy & Grace of God drinking poison intentionally one will surely die!

Being in a place like the hebrews and the food made them sick all they did was look at the staff to get well.

People do not leave this earth due to a lack of faith nor they do not get healed due to a lack of faith.

I have read azusa street years ago...good reading.

Instead of looking back and wanting what was let us look ahead to a greater and newer thing that Jesus will do.

[exrockstar]

tell ya what. Walk into a hospital emergency rooma and ask one of the churches that practice that to start healing.

will they do it? NO THEY won't.

The verse never says the sick has to be a believer. The person healing is the believer.

As a matter of fact...those miracles were done by a believer to make the unbeliever believe.

So go do it. I'll be standing by the TV set hearing "Top story tonight: miracle group walks into emergency room and starts healing the sick."

Even Jesus could not heal when the people would not believe.

Matthew 13:58

And he (Jesus) did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief.

It didnt say that Jesus powers were not functioning like a bad magic trick. it's just saying that Jesus

didn't get to bring signs and wonders to those at Nazareth because they cared not for them. Jesus is going to

knock at your door and if you don't want to answer He moves on. He doesn't beg you to let Him in.

In his Book he outlines how God told him, "Open your Mouth and I'll fill it", and he began to speak in tongues and it came out as the second tribe's native language, and actually terrified them so much that they gave up the hostages right away. On another occasion recorded in the same book, they were trying to cross a river and could not find a way across, so they set up camp and prayed and then went to sleep. The next day they woke up on the other side of the river and did not know how they got there.

that sounds like demonism. authors word and experience versus your knowledge.

Hebrews 11:1

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

no matter who tells you what and who says they saw something. we are at a point in His plan

where "magic" like this is silenced. How else do you develop faith in something unseen if you think youre seeing it all the time?

makes no sense.

Paul should of not said Hebrew 11:1 and said "when you see miracles....you know God is there."

Even the anti-Christ will do wonders and people will flock.

You dont think a demon can put words in your mouth?

I bet a demon can do that and here comes thousands yelling "oh praise God!"

but to each his own

[OneLight]

Instead of looking back and wanting what was let us look ahead to a greater and newer thing that Jesus will do.

I whole heartedly agree, but the problem is we must be in One Accord, or we will never see anything like that, because they were in One Accord, as on the Day of Pentecost. How can they believe for greater things if they will not even believe for the things of the past?

How can we be in one accord when we are full of people, and really entire denominations, who do not even believe the Milk of the Word of God?

If push comes to shove, we will just have to take Gideon's 300, and send the fearful and unbelieving back home.

We must be like Jonathan and his armor bearer and go on up to the battle, while the Sauls take a head count.

The Father will draw onto Him who He knows will be in One Accord with Him. The evidence is that they will also be in One Accord with each other. As for the works, Jesus himself left us with these words in John 14:12 ...

Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father.

Right after this verse, in John 14:15-18, we read ...

If you love Me, keep My commandments. And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever

[patricia1]

Judge of God... we are not to worry too much. It shows in the word of God over and over again that at least 50% are not going to be in accord. But Are you discussing one accordance in the churches or statewide or even in a greater spanse.

I have seen plenty of revivals that came and went.

Some people could not handle the 'new thing'.

Some became fearful and wanted to go back to their comfortable log sitting quenching the Holy Spirit.

You can get three people together in one accord and have a revival start. It has to happen within us first as well.

Those old wineskins do really burst if that new wine starts to flow. Do not lose heart.

Demons hate the Holy Spirits language. They cannot touch it, interpret it, or know whats going on. It is a direct line to Jesus.

Forget what it sounds like.

satan will go as far as try to mimic it to make one think it is the true language they are reciveing. It is empty and makes one sick when one hears false tongues.

Our english language is perverse to Jesus and gets changed on the way up to the throne room any way.

Many of us open our mouths too often and give our plans away.

I read a long time ago a book called Hung by the tongue and its sequel haveing the noose lossed. I wish I still had them. They were simple and great!

[jeffnevins]

My guess is no. Arsenic anyone? But the end of Mark, as some are sure to know:

17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Maybe its metaphor. We're supposed to have great faith, and can move mountains. But not physically move a mountain.

I imagine people have drunk things & died for not understanding the verse right. But a few can speak in tongues, heal, handle snakes, & cast out devils.

Anyway, thanks.

It is my understanding that the disciples didn't literally pick up poisonous snakes nor intentionally drink poison either. But if while ministering for the Lord a snake should bite one of His disciples then it would not kill them. A example of this was when Paul was shipwrecked in the book of Acts on an island and a snake had came out of the fire and latched onto his hand and Paul shook the snake off into the fire and kept doing what he was doing and the people that lived on the island thought him for dead but Paul wasn't bothered at all by the venimous snake so the people thought he was a god then. But the story shows how that while in the service of the Lord then nothing deadly can hurt us. And if someone wants to give us something poison to drink in order to get rid of us then faith in God and faithfulness to the Lord's work can prevent it from hurting us. But these verses are grossly misunderstood and interpreted.

OC

Thanks. That makes sense. Potential dangers in the service of God.

Not putting on a show of snake handling & any deadly thing (most likely the poisons of that time, not the hydrochloric acid or liquid nitrogen of the present (which couldn't be hidden in drink)).

[jeffnevins]

My guess is no. Arsenic anyone? But the end of Mark, as some are sure to know:

17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Maybe its metaphor. We're supposed to have great faith, and can move mountains. But not physically move a mountain.

I imagine people have drunk things & died for not understanding the verse right. But a few can speak in tongues, heal, handle snakes, & cast out devils.

Anyway, thanks.

It is my understanding that the disciples didn't literally pick up poisonous snakes nor intentionally drink poison either. But if while ministering for the Lord a snake should bite one of His disciples then it would not kill them. A example of this was when Paul was shipwrecked in the book of Acts on an island and a snake had came out of the fire and latched onto his hand and Paul shook the snake off into the fire and kept doing what he was doing and the people that lived on the island thought him for dead but Paul wasn't bothered at all by the venimous snake so the people thought he was a god then. But the story shows how that while in the service of the Lord then nothing deadly can hurt us. And if someone wants to give us something poison to drink in order to get rid of us then faith in God and faithfulness to the Lord's work can prevent it from hurting us. But these verses are grossly misunderstood and interpreted.

OC

I think that wraps things up.

Well, people are free to coment more if they want.

[exrockstar]

But the story shows how that while in the service of the Lord then nothing deadly can hurt us. And if someone wants to give us something poison to drink in order to get rid of us then faith in God and faithfulness to the Lord's work can prevent it from hurting us. But these verses are grossly misunderstood and interpreted.

OC

tell that to the missionaries that have died while "servicing."

and yes there have been people that have died while delivering the gospel.

[EricH]

But the story shows how that while in the service of the Lord then nothing deadly can hurt us. And if someone wants to give us something poison to drink in order to get rid of us then faith in God and faithfulness to the Lord's work can prevent it from hurting us. But these verses are grossly misunderstood and interpreted.

OC

tell that to the missionaries that have died while "servicing."

and yes there have been people that have died while delivering the gospel.

Yes,

Nothing deadly can hurt us unless God allows it for His own purposes. The bottom line is that we can rest in God's providential care, because even if we lose this life, we gain eternity