Being patriotic

[Richard_yaash]

this is why im not a big fan of my country...and apparently god isnt either.

It is not the 'country' itself. It is those within it.

[faith pleases God]

this is not our country anyways, its theirs.

Who are these nebulous, vague owners of this country? I just have to know.

Glory who are you joking? You don't want to know.

Oh, yes I DO want to know.....do you have knowledge that the rest of us don't? Come on....you know you want to tell the world. And why are you reposting things I have posted in the past???? What's your point???

To remind you. It seems as if your memory is short on the stick.

[faith pleases God]

Whatever for your free speech restrictions. Justifiable to you and others or not. It's limited and continuing. The enemy is far bigger than Islam. And yes, as far as our country goes the Federal Reserve is the enemy (excluding pure spiritual forces). This is where you and me disagree. We will lose our sovereignty due to money not Islam. The NAU will be a step toward the new world order not towards securing our sovereignty (but no big deal, right?) Your thinking has no practical connection between what is written and what's currently happening. You think the mark will come by Islam. The mark will come by those who control the money system, aka "the money changers".

I'm still waiting for your answer as to what is going to happen in five years.

Within 5 years you will understand these words. You wouldn't understand it until then. Unless God reveals it to you sooner.

[faith pleases God]

this is not our country anyways, its theirs.

Who are these nebulous, vague owners of this country? I just have to know.

my point exactly. people think its crazy to believe there are "upper echelons" who have essentially unlimited power at their fingertips. to answer your question...the united states government in general, possibly others.

this reality isnt hard to discover, either. it just takes some research and then its just a matter of logical thinking and fitting the puzzle pieces together. it may be somewhat of an uncomfortable route to take, seeing as it may be hard for some to believe their own government could ever be so sinister. but ya, coupled with society's moral decay, this is why im not a big fan of my country...and apparently god isnt either.

She doesn't want to know and can't figure it out. She expects you to research so she can blindly refute it or concede then forget. Only to later ask you to re explain it.

[faith pleases God]

Whatever for your free speech restrictions. Justifiable to you and others or not. It's limited and continuing. The enemy is far bigger than Islam. And yes, as far as our country goes the Federal Reserve is the enemy (excluding pure spiritual forces). This is where you and me disagree. We will lose our sovereignty due to money not Islam. The NAU will be a step toward the new world order not towards securing our sovereignty (but no big deal, right?) Your thinking has no practical connection between what is written and what's currently happening. You think the mark will come by Islam. The mark will come by those who control the money system, aka "the money changers".

I'm still waiting for your answer as to what is going to happen in five years.

Do you even pay attention to what's said or just argue for the sake of it?

[David of Derby]

I love my country. I love it's people, and I love it's ways. So I consider myself patriotic to a degree.

The only time I could see myself opposing my country would be if England ever became locked in a war against Israel. In such a scenario, I would desert my country, and stand on the side of Israel.

Does that make me unpatriotic?........I don't know. Probably. But I don't really care.

I know that I would never raise a hand against Israel.

I would seek the approval of God, rather than men. And any nation that fights against Israel, and seeks to destroy her, would be fighting against God Almighty, in my opinion.

Actually it makes you a traitor. The deepest level of hell is reserved for traitors, don't forget. Israel isn't special, it's just a state for the Jews where they're supposedly safe from persecution. Israel is not God's chosen people any longer.

[Afal]

Actually it makes you a traitor. The deepest level of hell is reserved for traitors, don't forget. Israel isn't special, it's just a state for the Jews where they're supposedly safe from persecution. Israel is not God's chosen people any longer.

I accept that this is your opinion, but I must say that I find this attitude very offensive. When I started this thread, I did not want a confrontational discussion. This comment has now made this thread very confrontational, I believe.

[Guest Biblicist]

I think there's a difference in patriotism today, than say 50 years ago. It seems as though today, we are prideful more than patriotic. We have not humbled ourselves as a nation. Whereas I think we used to have a more humble spirit about us, as a people.

That's just my impression.

In His Love,

Suzanne

We might just get the chance with this next election...

[David of Derby]

It's not meant to be offensive, Afal, but it is meant to be clear. As a citizen of the UK, if I take up arms against British forces in a war, I'm commiting high treason. I see that as the gravest possible crime a person can commit, worse than murder, rape or anything else. If the UK goes to war with Israel for some reason I won't be involved because I'm not a soldier anymore, but if I were then I'd fight for my country and trust the chain of command.

For someone to go and fight for Israel in such a scenario is no different to the British traitors who went to be used as human shields when we went to war with Iraq. I don't know what became of them but I fervently hope they reaped the fruits of their treason.

My country may not always be right and it's my responsibility to work against something I don't want to happen - like a war with Israel - but if the majority of people support it then it's my responsibility to stand with my country for good or ill. Loyalty goes beyond likes and dislikes and for the soldiers who've given their oath - before God - to serve the Crown until death it goes beyond any other consideration.

Thankfully we're not likely to find ourselves at war with Israel. Indeed, in any real war we could be involved in in that region Israel would likely be an ally - and God help anyone that found themselves opposed to the British and Israeli armies united.

[Guest Biblicist]

Actually it makes you a traitor. The deepest level of hell is reserved for traitors, don't forget. Israel isn't special, it's just a state for the Jews where they're supposedly safe from persecution. Israel is not God's chosen people any longer.

Do you have a reference verse for that statement?