creeds

[eric]

Creeds are not at all necessary.

I never said they were necessary, nor is reciting the Lord's prayer, or the 23rd psalm, but I'm sure the Lord doesn't mind anyone mentioning to Him in one's quiet time with Him.

edited to correct typo

[stan4257]

Creeds are not at all necessary.

I never said they were necessary, nor is reciting the Lord's prayer, or the 23tr pslam, but I'm sure the Lord doesn't mind anyone mentioning to Him in one's quiet time with Him.

How true, Eric, and thank you for your calm response.

Equally, I feel from you gentleness that you would agree, neither would the Lord object if we did not recite any of the three, our relationship being in his eyes the deciding factor in our salvation, much more than what we said.

[damo1]

damo1

high mizzdy

i can see were you are comming from as i too looked into the very same thing my self comming out of an occult that had its own creed and then forming pact with a brother by becoming a blood brother for life we had our own creed which was brothers for life even if it meant one of us doing time or taking a beating we were their for each other as i had what you called a blood pact with 4 other guys who became very close friends

even though i can say jesus is lord over my life i believe he died for me and rose on the third day and i belive what happend is all true i went over this creed which most christians wil know by heart

the apostles creed

this creed is called the apostles creed not becaus it was written by the apostles them selves but becaus it contains a brief summary of their teachings it sets forth their doctrine the apostles creed used in rome around 400 ad which in turn goes back another two hundred years it is typical of the creeds used in the western part of the roman empire

this is what i was taught

1 i belive in god the father almighty creator of heaven and earth

2 i belive in jesus christ his only beggoten son our lord

3 he was conceived by the holy spirit born of the virgin mary suffered under pontius pilate

4 was crucified dead and burried he descended into hell

5 on the third day he arose from the dead he ascended into heaven

6 and sits at the right hand of god the father almighty

7 from their he wil come to judge the living and the dead

8 i belive in the holy spirit

9 the forgivness of sins

10 the ressurection of the body

11 and the life everlasting amen

this is what i was given to look at when i setled in a traditional church before i found a spirit filled bible beliving church

most gangs have their own creed and i know most of them by heart even though i had to denouce the ones i knew when christ came into my life

this is the one i stick by as most christians know this one by heart and it can be seen as a creed

philippians 2

10 that at the name of jesus every knee should bow of those in heaven and of those on earth and of those under the earth

11 and that every tongue should confess that jesus christ is lord to the glory of god the father

just take your time and try to understand the difrence when it comes to creeds and why people hold on to creeds

no one can force any one to accept a creed

god bless from damo

[eric]

Thanks for coming back, Stan, because if you not have, I wouldn't have noticed the typo in my post... 23tr pslam?? Oh dear.

[stan4257]

Thanks for coming back, Stan, because if you not have, I wouldn't have noticed the typo in my post... 23tr pslam??

Far more than that, Eric, we got to know each other better and I now know of a brother in Christ who makes mistakes like I do, and better still, acknowledges them even when they are insignificant. A rare virtue and one that I look forward to achieving one day.

Thank you.

[mizzdy]

I firmly believe that reciting a creed doesn't have anything to do with my salvation

One of the big benefits of Worthy Boards is that so many different points of view are held, and one of its disadvantages is that it is often difficult to express a personal opinion without offending somebody and being chided for so doing.

If I offended anyone I do apologize it was never my intention.

Well, on what you say I agree entirely, even though I have followed this thread carefully and appreciated and considered all the many useful suggestions.

As a born again teenager a chorus we sang often went something like, if I remember it correctly:

Living he loved me.

Dying he saved me.

Buried he carried my sins far away.

Rising he justified

freely for ever.

One day he's coming.

O glorious day.

With the exception of the penultimate line which I now think of as: 'one day I'll meet him', that chorus is still my creed, should I ever think one is needed.

'Buried He wiped/washed my sins away' is how I heard this when I was young!! I so agree with this!!!

It occurs also to me that in the Baptist Church in which I grew up we never said a creed anyway.

I was raised in the Church of Christ (non musical) and we never had a creed and when I asked my mom about this who still attends the church she had no idea what I was talking about. Her response was something along the lines of what I have said, 'Jesus Christ death and resurrection is my creed if I have to have one', not a bad one to keep for almost 78 years I think.

I notice that you have some strong support on this thread. Please accept mine also.

I was looking for clarification for something that for some reason confused me to no end. I had taken this issue to God in pray so many times and felt that it wasn't something that I should have continued to be confused about but well sometimes we do left other people's opinions run around in our heads when we shouldn't. Thanks!

[mizzdy]

Hi,

<<There is no magic formula in reciting the Christian Creeds. All that they are is a summary of what biblical Christians believe in a nutshell. They have been very very useful in fighting heresy over the past 2000 years, but there is nothing inherent for your salvation in reciting them. The key is having a sound belief and faith and I do think that if you disagree with the Creeds there could be a major problem in the doctrine that you hold. All the Creeds are is a nice summary of what Christians believe.>>

Well I am not sure I have a doctrine other than Christ lived was crucified and died for my sins. Hmmm then again we all come with some type of learning or baggage of some sorts. I do not attend a church but have study tools and the like. I do listen to some teachers on the net but do my own studies on what I hear and always pray for understanding. So in some ways you are right that that we all have some types of doctrine in each of us. I think that one of the problems with at least one of the creeds is that I must recognize A church and it was brought to my attention that it is the catholic church that I do have a problem with. Not the catholic church perse it is that I must recognize one and that begs the question, which one. But I don't want to get into which church is right since I do not believe there is ONE right church that there is believers and the saved in all churches.

<<I recite the Creeds as a way of having unity with other Christian believers and with my own congregation, not because they have anything to do with salvation.>>

Like a secret handshake. no offences meant!! I am glad to hear that creeds don't have anything to do with salvation. Thanks.

But do you know who Christ is? (Rhetorical question I know that you do). Glad that at least comes through in what I write.

What I mean is so what if a guy named Jesus died for you sins? John the Baptist died also. The question is do you believe He rose from the dead in the Body? YEs YEs YEs Do you believe that He is God a part of the Trinity? Do you see what I mean, saying that you believe Jesus died for your sins is meaningless without a resurrection, without knowing why He died for your sins and so forth, and knowing who He really is. [

b]I do believe that I understand the why's and wherefores of Christ life and death.

Muslims and Mormons believe in Jesus also, they believe He rose to heaven and will save people also, but they are not Christians.

I am not sure that Muslims believe that about Christ at least the ones that I have talked to. They may believe that we was a great prophet or holy man but not the Son of God nor the Messiah. But that isn't the issue hmm it might be one day though!

Doctrine is important. More heresy is now being preached from those who claim they are bible believing Christians than anywhere else.

So true and has been even from the beginning of known history. Take all things to God in prayer is how I look at it, if someone tells me something and it sounds pretty good or at least sounds like the person might know what they are talking about then I certainly take to God and search the scriptures for myself. Since I am responsible for my walk with God and Christ it is up to me to search and pray and not to let anyone take over my thinking for me. I see that in many areas of some of the churches today. Sad as that is. I am not one for preaching heck I try hard to stay out of debates although sometimes I ask questionns or put my two cents in if I think I might know something about the topic. Debating is not always a good thing. Thanks.

[mizzdy]

Hi, Damo,

1 i belive in god the father almighty creator of heaven and earth

2 i belive in jesus christ his only beggoten son our lord

3 he was conceived by the holy spirit born of the virgin mary suffered under pontius pilate

4 was crucified dead and burried he descended into hell

5 on the third day he arose from the dead he ascended into heaven

6 and sits at the right hand of god the father almighty

7 from their he wil come to judge the living and the dead

8 i belive in the holy spirit

9 the forgivness of sins

10 the ressurection of the body

11 and the life everlasting amen

this is what i was given to look at when i setled in a traditional church before i found a spirit filled bible beliving church

Amen! This is what I believe with all my heart so therefore I have a creed. But this is not the Apostle Creed that I have read hmm was the one I read wrong or added to? Anyhoo. The creed that I read also had the words to effect about believing in the catholic church and yes I am aware that catholic means unity but that in todays mind set it means the RC. And even though I believe that Christ's church or body is made up of all believers what ever their denominational choices are belonging to a church or reciting a creed has no bearing on my salvation as long as I believe on Christ's life, death and resurrection. Well I might want to throw in my firm belief faith and trust in God also.

Gangs I understand, was never a member but lived and knew many of them when I was growing up in CA. The occult is nasty business. I flirted with that stuff for more than a few years but after a really bad spirit board incident I threw it away and never did that again!!!! I have researched many areas of the occult in the last few years and it just reinforces my walk with God. Actually it was during that research that brought me back to the reading the bible. I always figured it was God smacking me on the head saying, See you idiot I am right here!! Thanks for writing and giving sending that my way!