why G-D made me belong to dragon

[OneLight]

Your scripture reference is confusing.

Daniel 2:2

Then the king commanded to call the magicians, and the astrologers, and the sorcerers, and the Chaldeans, for to shew the king his dreams. So they came and stood before the king.

Daniel 2:48

Then the king made Daniel a great man, and gave him many great gifts, and made him ruler over the whole province of Babylon, and chief of the governors over all the wise men of Babylon.

Daniel 4:9

O Belteshazzar, master of the magicians, because I know that the spirit of the holy gods is in thee, and no secret troubleth thee, tell me the visions of my dream that I have seen, and the interpretation thereof.

Just because someone labels you, does not mean you are what that label represents. Who/what is Dake?

[OneLight]

If you want scripture that says "Daniel was an astrologer," You will not find it. You will likewise find no scripture saying that you exist, but I assume you do.

Just as I thought, you can not provide scripture to back your claim, so it is man made.

If you are interested in studying the zodiac and researching the references I cited, I will give them to you again. D. James Kennedy, "the true Zodiac." Hal Lindsey, "The kings of the East." If you do not have initiative to research the subject for yourself, you are obviously not very interested in obtaining the truth.

I trust Hal Lindsey enough that if he says Persian tradition holds an astrological alignment will foretell the coming of the King, or Messiah; I will take his word that is indeed what Persian tradition holds.

I once thought Hal Lindsey was a prophet with his prophesy of the rapture coming in, if I remember correctly, 1984. He proved himself a false prophet, and if it were in the OT times, he would of been stoned to death. He is counting his blessings that we are now under grace. Still, it is my personal belief that he is a man full of knowledge that twisted his knowledge to fit his beliefs.

It is quite obvious from scripture that Daniel was taught the ways of the sooth sayers, magicians, and astrologers. Daniel merely understood the true meaning of what he saw in the stars.

Heresy! Daniel was a man of God, full of His Spirit. It was through His Spirit that we was able to explain dreams. Allow me to remind you of scripture. "Inasmuch as an excellent spirit, knowledge, understanding, interpreting dreams, solving riddles, and explaining enigmas were found in this Daniel" He was not any of what you claim him to be. You have alread admitted that you can not find scripture to back your claim.

I have a series of questions for you. I am sure you will not answer them, but I will pose them any way.

Surely, you can go to the scriptures and find an answer for them. You seem to think that no outside sources may be used to draw logical conclusion based on the framework put forth in the scriptures.

Who were the Kings from the East?

How did they know to come to "the Star?"

How did they know "the Star" signified the birth of The King?

Any open minded person who can read the text of the New Testament would be forced to come to the conclusion that they were astrologers. They had been left instruction to look for a specific astrological alignment and when they saw it, they would know the King had come. Where would they have obtained this instruction if not From Daniel or one of the Other Hebrew prophets?

If you want concrete proof Daniel left the command to look for the Messiah, you will not find it. However, there is more than enough evidence for the logical person to conclude that he, or one of his friends did. It is a much better explanation that you will be able to provide for the three questions I asked you.

What does Matthew say?

Matthew 2:1-12

Wise Men from the East

Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, wise men from the East came to Jerusalem, saying,

[hr.jr.]

If you want scripture that says "Daniel was an astrologer," You will not find it. You will likewise find no scripture saying that you exist, but I assume you do.

Just as I thought, you can not provide scripture to back your claim, so it is man made.

If you are interested in studying the zodiac and researching the references I cited, I will give them to you again. D. James Kennedy, "the true Zodiac." Hal Lindsey, "The kings of the East." If you do not have initiative to research the subject for yourself, you are obviously not very interested in obtaining the truth.

I trust Hal Lindsey enough that if he says Persian tradition holds an astrological alignment will foretell the coming of the King, or Messiah; I will take his word that is indeed what Persian tradition holds.

I once thought Hal Lindsey was a prophet with his prophesy of the rapture coming in, if I remember correctly, 1984. He proved himself a false prophet, and if it were in the OT times, he would of been stoned to death. He is counting his blessings that we are now under grace. Still, it is my personal belief that he is a man full of knowledge that twisted his knowledge to fit his beliefs.

It is quite obvious from scripture that Daniel was taught the ways of the sooth sayers, magicians, and astrologers. Daniel merely understood the true meaning of what he saw in the stars.

Heresy! Daniel was a man of God, full of His Spirit. It was through His Spirit that we was able to explain dreams. Allow me to remind you of scripture. "Inasmuch as an excellent spirit, knowledge, understanding, interpreting dreams, solving riddles, and explaining enigmas were found in this Daniel" He was not any of what you claim him to be. You have alread admitted that you can not find scripture to back your claim.

I have a series of questions for you. I am sure you will not answer them, but I will pose them any way.

Surely, you can go to the scriptures and find an answer for them. You seem to think that no outside sources may be used to draw logical conclusion based on the framework put forth in the scriptures.

Who were the Kings from the East?

How did they know to come to "the Star?"

How did they know "the Star" signified the birth of The King?

Any open minded person who can read the text of the New Testament would be forced to come to the conclusion that they were astrologers. They had been left instruction to look for a specific astrological alignment and when they saw it, they would know the King had come. Where would they have obtained this instruction if not From Daniel or one of the Other Hebrew prophets?

If you want concrete proof Daniel left the command to look for the Messiah, you will not find it. However, there is more than enough evidence for the logical person to conclude that he, or one of his friends did. It is a much better explanation that you will be able to provide for the three questions I asked you.

What does Matthew say?

Matthew 2:1-12

Wise Men from the East

Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, wise men from the East came to Jerusalem, saying,

[OneLight]

If you want scripture that says "Daniel was an astrologer," You will not find it. You will likewise find no scripture saying that you exist, but I assume you do.

Just as I thought, you can not provide scripture to back your claim, so it is man made.

If you are interested in studying the zodiac and researching the references I cited, I will give them to you again. D. James Kennedy, "the true Zodiac." Hal Lindsey, "The kings of the East." If you do not have initiative to research the subject for yourself, you are obviously not very interested in obtaining the truth.

I trust Hal Lindsey enough that if he says Persian tradition holds an astrological alignment will foretell the coming of the King, or Messiah; I will take his word that is indeed what Persian tradition holds.

I once thought Hal Lindsey was a prophet with his prophesy of the rapture coming in, if I remember correctly, 1984. He proved himself a false prophet, and if it were in the OT times, he would of been stoned to death. He is counting his blessings that we are now under grace. Still, it is my personal belief that he is a man full of knowledge that twisted his knowledge to fit his beliefs.

It is quite obvious from scripture that Daniel was taught the ways of the sooth sayers, magicians, and astrologers. Daniel merely understood the true meaning of what he saw in the stars.

Heresy! Daniel was a man of God, full of His Spirit. It was through His Spirit that we was able to explain dreams. Allow me to remind you of scripture. "Inasmuch as an excellent spirit, knowledge, understanding, interpreting dreams, solving riddles, and explaining enigmas were found in this Daniel" He was not any of what you claim him to be. You have alread admitted that you can not find scripture to back your claim.

I have a series of questions for you. I am sure you will not answer them, but I will pose them any way.

Surely, you can go to the scriptures and find an answer for them. You seem to think that no outside sources may be used to draw logical conclusion based on the framework put forth in the scriptures.

Who were the Kings from the East?

How did they know to come to "the Star?"

How did they know "the Star" signified the birth of The King?

Any open minded person who can read the text of the New Testament would be forced to come to the conclusion that they were astrologers. They had been left instruction to look for a specific astrological alignment and when they saw it, they would know the King had come. Where would they have obtained this instruction if not From Daniel or one of the Other Hebrew prophets?

If you want concrete proof Daniel left the command to look for the Messiah, you will not find it. However, there is more than enough evidence for the logical person to conclude that he, or one of his friends did. It is a much better explanation that you will be able to provide for the three questions I asked you.

What does Matthew say?

Matthew 2:1-12

Wise Men from the East

Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, wise men from the East came to Jerusalem, saying,

[Guest]

"And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son."

"He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life."

"These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God." 1 John 5:11-13

why G-D made me belong to dragon

In Chinese custom every person belong to an animal according to his birth year,for example this year is the mouse

[hr.jr.]

If you want scripture that says "Daniel was an astrologer," You will not find it. You will likewise find no scripture saying that you exist, but I assume you do.

Just as I thought, you can not provide scripture to back your claim, so it is man made.

If you are interested in studying the zodiac and researching the references I cited, I will give them to you again. D. James Kennedy, "the true Zodiac." Hal Lindsey, "The kings of the East." If you do not have initiative to research the subject for yourself, you are obviously not very interested in obtaining the truth.

I trust Hal Lindsey enough that if he says Persian tradition holds an astrological alignment will foretell the coming of the King, or Messiah; I will take his word that is indeed what Persian tradition holds.

I once thought Hal Lindsey was a prophet with his prophesy of the rapture coming in, if I remember correctly, 1984. He proved himself a false prophet, and if it were in the OT times, he would of been stoned to death. He is counting his blessings that we are now under grace. Still, it is my personal belief that he is a man full of knowledge that twisted his knowledge to fit his beliefs.

It is quite obvious from scripture that Daniel was taught the ways of the sooth sayers, magicians, and astrologers. Daniel merely understood the true meaning of what he saw in the stars.

Heresy! Daniel was a man of God, full of His Spirit. It was through His Spirit that we was able to explain dreams. Allow me to remind you of scripture. "Inasmuch as an excellent spirit, knowledge, understanding, interpreting dreams, solving riddles, and explaining enigmas were found in this Daniel" He was not any of what you claim him to be. You have alread admitted that you can not find scripture to back your claim.

I have a series of questions for you. I am sure you will not answer them, but I will pose them any way.

Surely, you can go to the scriptures and find an answer for them. You seem to think that no outside sources may be used to draw logical conclusion based on the framework put forth in the scriptures.

Who were the Kings from the East?

How did they know to come to "the Star?"

How did they know "the Star" signified the birth of The King?

Any open minded person who can read the text of the New Testament would be forced to come to the conclusion that they were astrologers. They had been left instruction to look for a specific astrological alignment and when they saw it, they would know the King had come. Where would they have obtained this instruction if not From Daniel or one of the Other Hebrew prophets?

If you want concrete proof Daniel left the command to look for the Messiah, you will not find it. However, there is more than enough evidence for the logical person to conclude that he, or one of his friends did. It is a much better explanation that you will be able to provide for the three questions I asked you.

What does Matthew say?

Matthew 2:1-12

Wise Men from the East

Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, wise men from the East came to Jerusalem, saying,

[hr.jr.]

Your scripture reference is confusing.

Daniel 2:2

Then the king commanded to call the magicians, and the astrologers, and the sorcerers, and the Chaldeans, for to shew the king his dreams. So they came and stood before the king.

Daniel 2:48

Then the king made Daniel a great man, and gave him many great gifts, and made him ruler over the whole province of Babylon, and chief of the governors over all the wise men of Babylon.

Daniel 4:9

O Belteshazzar, master of the magicians, because I know that the spirit of the holy gods is in thee, and no secret troubleth thee, tell me the visions of my dream that I have seen, and the interpretation thereof.

Just because someone labels you, does not mean you are what that label represents. Who/what is Dake?

For such an expert on biblical sources, I can not believe you do not know who F.J. Dake is. He is known as Dake and always referenced as Dake. There is only one Dake to write Christian commentary that I am aware of.

[OneLight]

Your scripture reference is confusing.

Daniel 2:2

Then the king commanded to call the magicians, and the astrologers, and the sorcerers, and the Chaldeans, for to shew the king his dreams. So they came and stood before the king.

Daniel 2:48

Then the king made Daniel a great man, and gave him many great gifts, and made him ruler over the whole province of Babylon, and chief of the governors over all the wise men of Babylon.

Daniel 4:9

O Belteshazzar, master of the magicians, because I know that the spirit of the holy gods is in thee, and no secret troubleth thee, tell me the visions of my dream that I have seen, and the interpretation thereof.

Just because someone labels you, does not mean you are what that label represents. Who/what is Dake?

For such an expert on biblical sources, I can not believe you do not know who P.J. Dake is. He is known as Dake and always referenced as Dake. There is only one Dake to write Christian commentary that I am aware of.

Commentaries are not the bible. They are written by men, with mans ideas. We were discussing scripture.

[hr.jr.]

Your scripture reference is confusing.

Daniel 2:2

Then the king commanded to call the magicians, and the astrologers, and the sorcerers, and the Chaldeans, for to shew the king his dreams. So they came and stood before the king.

Daniel 2:48

Then the king made Daniel a great man, and gave him many great gifts, and made him ruler over the whole province of Babylon, and chief of the governors over all the wise men of Babylon.

Daniel 4:9

O Belteshazzar, master of the magicians, because I know that the spirit of the holy gods is in thee, and no secret troubleth thee, tell me the visions of my dream that I have seen, and the interpretation thereof.

Just because someone labels you, does not mean you are what that label represents. Who/what is Dake?

For such an expert on biblical sources, I can not believe you do not know who P.J. Dake is. He is known as Dake and always referenced as Dake. There is only one Dake to write Christian commentary that I am aware of.

Commentaries are not the bible. They are written by men, with mans ideas. We were discussing scripture.

Firstly, you do not dictate what I can and can not discuss. You discuss what you want, I will discuss what I want. I do not tell you what you can discuss, and likewise I will not be told by you what I can discuss. If you do not like what I discuss, you may feel free to refrain from discussion with me. I would think that is a simple concept. "we" were not discussing scripture. I was discussing a topic. The fact that you choose to say the discussion will be based only on scripture does not change what I was discussing.

Secondly, Any discussion you make of scripture then becomes "commentary." Since you are not discussing commentary, why do you even post? Should your responses simply be limited to a Chapter and verse citation? You want it both ways. You can not have it both ways. It amazes me how much you ramble on with your opinions about what scripture means while discounting all other material as worthless commentary. Those who comment the most seem to the ones who are the least teachable.

When I first heard Dr. Kennedy teach on the Zodiac, It upset me. Had I not known his other teachings and deeply respected his Biblical knowledge, I would have at that point dismissed him as an idiot. However, my mind is always open. I discovered that he was correct in his teaching about the zodiac. I also disovered that his citations and outside evidences stand up to scrutiny. It is obvious that your mind is so narrow, you will not even make yourself knowledgable on the concept before dismissing it as heresy.

You remind me of an old man in the Church I used to attend. His favorite quote was "No man is my teacher, the Holy Spirit is my teacher." Is it not an odd thing that he taught Sunday School? No one can teach him, but he thinks he is entitled to teach everyone else. I used to make him so mad that he could not see straight. I think Kenneth Haggin Describes this person best. "Their mind is like concrete, well mixed up and thoroughly set."

[hr.jr.]

If you want scripture that says "Daniel was an astrologer," You will not find it. You will likewise find no scripture saying that you exist, but I assume you do.

Just as I thought, you can not provide scripture to back your claim, so it is man made.

If you are interested in studying the zodiac and researching the references I cited, I will give them to you again. D. James Kennedy, "the true Zodiac." Hal Lindsey, "The kings of the East." If you do not have initiative to research the subject for yourself, you are obviously not very interested in obtaining the truth.

I trust Hal Lindsey enough that if he says Persian tradition holds an astrological alignment will foretell the coming of the King, or Messiah; I will take his word that is indeed what Persian tradition holds.

I once thought Hal Lindsey was a prophet with his prophesy of the rapture coming in, if I remember correctly, 1984. He proved himself a false prophet, and if it were in the OT times, he would of been stoned to death. He is counting his blessings that we are now under grace. Still, it is my personal belief that he is a man full of knowledge that twisted his knowledge to fit his beliefs.

It is quite obvious from scripture that Daniel was taught the ways of the sooth sayers, magicians, and astrologers. Daniel merely understood the true meaning of what he saw in the stars.

Heresy! Daniel was a man of God, full of His Spirit. It was through His Spirit that we was able to explain dreams. Allow me to remind you of scripture. "Inasmuch as an excellent spirit, knowledge, understanding, interpreting dreams, solving riddles, and explaining enigmas were found in this Daniel" He was not any of what you claim him to be. You have alread admitted that you can not find scripture to back your claim.

I have a series of questions for you. I am sure you will not answer them, but I will pose them any way.

Surely, you can go to the scriptures and find an answer for them. You seem to think that no outside sources may be used to draw logical conclusion based on the framework put forth in the scriptures.

Who were the Kings from the East?

How did they know to come to "the Star?"

How did they know "the Star" signified the birth of The King?

Any open minded person who can read the text of the New Testament would be forced to come to the conclusion that they were astrologers. They had been left instruction to look for a specific astrological alignment and when they saw it, they would know the King had come. Where would they have obtained this instruction if not From Daniel or one of the Other Hebrew prophets?

If you want concrete proof Daniel left the command to look for the Messiah, you will not find it. However, there is more than enough evidence for the logical person to conclude that he, or one of his friends did. It is a much better explanation that you will be able to provide for the three questions I asked you.

What does Matthew say?

Matthew 2:1-12

Wise Men from the East

Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, wise men from the East came to Jerusalem, saying,