End times

[mrs]

Why does God do this if we are all meant to be the same in the Lord?

Why are these people so special to God that He would personally take care of them in the wilderness?

be careful, brother Cain. Sin in crouching at the door. This is a purely humanistic comparison and it has caused you to envy.

I dont see envy at all, just legitimate questions in her part

Why is there a differnece in the way God treats these two groups when we are all meant to be the same in Christ?

Matthew 20

11 And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house,

12 Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day.

13 But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny?

14 Take that thine is, and go thy way: I will give unto this last, even as unto thee.

15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?

16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.

Your quote doesnt apply.The OP is talking about the seeming difference in treatment between His Bride the Church, and the Jews. These are two seperate groups; not the same as the verses you used.

[nebula]

Your quote doesnt apply.The OP is talking about the seeming difference in treatment between His Bride the Church, and the Jews. These are two seperate groups; not the same as the verses you used.

Ah! You are assuming these Jews have not become His believers and followers then (become members of His Bride)?

[Guest yod]

Your quote doesnt apply.The OP is talking about the seeming difference in treatment between His Bride the Church, and the Jews. These are two seperate groups; not the same as the verses you used.

1st mistake: His Bride is Israel and those nations who are joined to it. Your presumptive theological mistake is no where to be found in the Bible, no matter how many european theologians you could quote.

2nd mistake: God is merciful. IF He were to treat any of us like we deserved, no one would stand

3rd mistake: Arrogance towards the jews makes one a bigot. i don't think there will be bigots in the Kingdom come...which, btw, will be ruled from Jerusalem by the King of the Jews...the God of Israel

so go back and read those verses again...they are extremely relevant to the darkness of a heart which seeks to remove or diminish the promises made by God to Israel

sin IS crouching at the door of envy

[mrs]

Your quote doesnt apply.The OP is talking about the seeming difference in treatment between His Bride the Church, and the Jews. These are two seperate groups; not the same as the verses you used.

1st mistake: His Bride is Israel and those nations who are joined to it. Your presumptive theological mistake is no where to be found in the Bible, no matter how many european theologians you could quote.

2nd mistake: God is merciful. IF He were to treat any of us like we deserved, no one would stand

3rd mistake: Arrogance towards the jews makes one a bigot. i don't think there will be bigots in the Kingdom come...which, btw, will be ruled from Jerusalem by the King of the Jews...the God of Israel

so go back and read those verses again...they are extremely relevant to the darkness gripping your heart

sin IS crouching at the door

How dare you call me arrogant and infer what you did. How dare you say I am sinning just because I disagree with you on this. How dare you say there is "darkness" gripping my heart. I'm done talking to you; I will not talk to someone who can't even make a post in response without calling me names.

[mrs]

Your quote doesnt apply.The OP is talking about the seeming difference in treatment between His Bride the Church, and the Jews. These are two seperate groups; not the same as the verses you used.

Ah! You are assuming these Jews have not become His believers and followers then (become members of His Bride)?

As the Bible tells us, He will save people from all tribes and tongues and nations; and that includes the Jews.

The Bride of Christ is not just one select nation with a few Gentiles grafted in, for God's plan is much broader than that.

Rather He chose the Jews to bring His Messiah into the world; through Whom He is redeeming His elect Bride to Himself.

O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! ~ Romans 11:33

[Guest yod]

Your quote doesnt apply.The OP is talking about the seeming difference in treatment between His Bride the Church, and the Jews. These are two seperate groups; not the same as the verses you used.

1st mistake: His Bride is Israel and those nations who are joined to it. Your presumptive theological mistake is no where to be found in the Bible, no matter how many european theologians you could quote.

2nd mistake: God is merciful. IF He were to treat any of us like we deserved, no one would stand

3rd mistake: Arrogance towards the jews makes one a bigot. i don't think there will be bigots in the Kingdom come...which, btw, will be ruled from Jerusalem by the King of the Jews...the God of Israel

so go back and read those verses again...they are extremely relevant to the darkness gripping your heart

sin IS crouching at the door

How dare you call me arrogant and infer what you did. How dare you say I am sinning just because I disagree with you on this. How dare you say there is "darkness" gripping my heart. I'm done talking to you; I will not talk to someone who can't even make a post in response without calling me names.

[Guest yod]

Your quote doesnt apply.The OP is talking about the seeming difference in treatment between His Bride the Church, and the Jews. These are two seperate groups; not the same as the verses you used.

Ah! You are assuming these Jews have not become His believers and followers then (become members of His Bride)?

As the Bible tells us, He will save people from all tribes and tongues and nations; and that includes the Jews.

The Bride of Christ is not just one select nation with a few Gentiles grafted in, for God's plan is much broader than that.

Rather He chose the Jews to bring His Messiah into the world; through Whom He is redeeming His elect Bride to Himself.

O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! ~ Romans 11:33

yes, He will save members of every tribe, tongue, and nation. They will come into the Kingdom by being joined to Israel as explained in Ephesians 2 and Ephesians 3 and Romans 11 and another dozen places.

[Guest yod]

If you read the word "church" as a specifically christian religious institution separate from israel, then you have been duped by by post-biblical theological commentary from europeans. It certainly isn't defined that way by the scriptures.

Though the word "church" is a horrible translation of "kahal", "synogogue", and/or "ecclessia" (the words translated as "church" but only when it suits "christian" purposes)....the scriptures define the mystery of the Body of Messiah as the faithful remnant of Israel and those nations who are joined to them until all Israel is saved. There is no separation from the Bride, who is Israel according to God. Frankly, I don't care what European theologicans have said after the canon of scripture was closed.

I do get offended when "christians" make insensitve statements like the original post did. There is also some history with this particular person's comments regarding Israel/Jews. I don't see them as being innocently inquisitive.

You think I'm being too sensitive? Maybe so...and that would be fair enough to assume; but historically the institution of christianity has been the worst persecutor of jewish people, and it always starts with this notion of separation and grows into superiority (arrogance against the natural branches)

I will not be as vigilant about these insensitive statements christians make when it doesn't cost the lives of thousands, even millions of jewish people. Until then I will shoot them down quickly.

[Guest yod]

When Christ died on the cross at Calvary He died for all. In 1 Corinthians it tells us there is no distinction between the Jews, Greeks slave or free man.

No...it does not.

It says there is no preference. There absolutely are distinctions between jew and gentile just as there are distinction between male and female, slave and free, baptist and catholic, etc, etc, etc.

There is nothing wrong with the distinctions that God has given to any/all of us.

I read the original post as an example of subtly promoting envy rather than an honest seeker. Envy caused Cain to kill his brother...and through theological devices of envy, christian leaders justified the systematic slaughter of jews by the millions over centuries of European religious history.

Before you dispute that, be sure and check your history books again...because it is indisputable. I simply can't act like it isn't a big deal.

[7thseal]

When we look at the end times in Revelation God has chosen 144,000 Jews and marked them with His mark, they are His chosen people. Not only that you have a remnant of Jews that God is caring for Himself in the wlderness.

What about the church none of them are being cared for by God?

Why is there a differnece in the way God treats these two groups when we are all meant to be the same in Christ?

Does God glorify Himself in different ways?

Church is not glorified in Christ?

Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Ah, he very much cares.