False testimony that brings persecution

[Jack_White]

"You people are from your father the devil, and you want to do what your father desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not uphold the truth, because there is no truth in him. Whenever he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, because he is a liar and the father of lies. But because I am telling you the truth, you do not believe me." (Jn 8:44-45)

God has been working for the past 6,000 years to reveal the truth to his people. Satan, on the other hand, has been falsely testifying about God's people to interfere with God's work (Ac 7:51-54, 24:5). People working on behalf of Satan conspired against and killed many righteous people, including Jesus (Mt 23:34-35). How can anyone do such a thing? People who receive evil spirits speak lies to hide their identity and to interfere with the establishment of God’s kingdom on earth.

Those who have false gods or evil spirits within them purposefully tell lies to persecute God's people and block the way to the true pastor God sends. They spin lies about the true pastor by saying that he claims himself to be Jesus, God (2Th 2:4), the owner of the church of Jesus, the spiritual advocate, or even the rider of the white horse in Rev 19:11. Through these lies many are deceived into thinking that God’s true pastor is nothing more than a cult leader. These lies are designed to push God's true pastor out of the religious world and out of society. Since most people are ignorant of the Bible, they are easily deceived when the servants of Satan tell lies by misusing the scriptures. In the New Testament, Jesus promised a pastor that is clearly not Jesus himself. He is not God, and he is not the owner of the church of Jesus. He is not the spiritual advocate, and he is certainly not the rider on the white horse.

In the Bible, Jesus promised a pastor whom God would send in Jesus' name. Jesus promised to send a wise servant who would take charge of Jesus' household until his return (Mt 24:45-47). This wise servant is not Jesus, because Jesus cannot put himself in charge while he is away. Jesus promised to write on his pastor (i.e. the one who overcomes) the name of God, the name of the holy city New Jerusalem, which is coming down from heaven, and Jesus’ new name (Rev 3:12). Jesus does give these names (especially his own new name) to himself. In Rev 2:17, Jesus promised to give the one who overcomes the white stone and the hidden manna. In Rev 2:26, Jesus gives the one who overcomes the iron scepter to rule all nations, which he received from his father. Since Jesus is giving these blessings and the one who overcomes is receiving them, the one who overcomes cannot be Jesus. In Rev 3:21, Jesus promised the one who overcomes a seat on his throne. Jesus received this right to sit with God the father on his throne because he too overcame. Again, Jesus is not the same as the one who overcomes in Revelation. Jesus does not send the letters to the seven churches according to his own command (Rev 1:9-11). Jesus does not receive the open book of revelation from heaven (Rev 10). Jesus does not testify to what he has seen and heard (i.e. the events of Revelation) (Rev 1:2). Jesus is not the one who inherits everything and is called one who overcomes in Rev 21:7. Since the Bible tells us that the one who overcomes receives everything from Jesus, he cannot be Jesus. The one who overcomes cannot be the head of the church of Jesus, because the church of Jesus is a possession of Jesus. Of course, Jesus is the head of the church of Jesus. How can anyone who truly knows the Bible call himself Jesus or the head of the church of Jesus? Why do people tell such lies? Clearly they have false gods within them.

If you are a true Christian, who believes in the Bible with reason and logic, you must forgive others and love them just like God and Jesus. There are many people, however, who refuse to forgive and love others. Instead, they envy, curse, slander, persecute, judge and gather to harm others. Is that the work of God? Please judge for yourself through the word with the eyes, ears, and heart of the spirit (Mt 6:12-15, 18:21-35). Although God may have forgiven a person's sins previously, anyone who refuses to forgive the small sins of others will not ultimately receive the forgiveness of God. God and Jesus have forgiven us by bearing the cross for us. Just like God and Jesus, we must forgive and love one another.

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

Who then is this True Pastor that God has sent?

Peace,

Dave

[Floatingaxe]

This wise servant is not Jesus, because Jesus cannot put himself in charge while he is away. Jesus promised to write on his pastor (i.e. the one who overcomes) the name of God, the name of the holy city New Jerusalem, which is coming down from heaven, and Jesus’ new name (Rev 3:12). Jesus does give these names (especially his own new name) to himself. In Rev 2:17, Jesus promised to give the one who overcomes the white stone and the hidden manna. In Rev 2:26, Jesus gives the one who overcomes the iron scepter to rule all nations, which he received from his father. Since Jesus is giving these blessings and the one who overcomes is receiving them, the one who overcomes cannot be Jesus. In Rev 3:21, Jesus promised the one who overcomes a seat on his throne. Jesus received this right to sit with God the father on his throne because he too overcame.

Ummm...the overcomer Jesus refers to is US! We, the Church! We, individuals, who comprise the Bride! I have no idea how you can discern otherwise.

[Leonard]

"Your next stop: THE TWILIGHT ZONE!"

[OneLight]

Grace to you,

Who then is this True Pastor that God has sent?

Peace,

Dave

Please answer our Brother.

[Guest yod]

"Your next stop: THE TWILIGHT ZONE!"

you got that right!?

[mead]

[Jack_White]

Grace to you,

Who then is this True Pastor that God has sent?

Peace,

Dave

Good question, Dave! Hopefully, everyone would be honest and ask that. We also should carefully listen to the words of everyone teaching the Bible. Heb 5:11-14 distinguishes two types of "food": milk and solid food. Are we receiving milk or solid food? What is the difference? Is something solid food merely because we think it is? Who can distinguish good from evil?

[Jack_White]

This wise servant is not Jesus, because Jesus cannot put himself in charge while he is away. Jesus promised to write on his pastor (i.e. the one who overcomes) the name of God, the name of the holy city New Jerusalem, which is coming down from heaven, and Jesus’ new name (Rev 3:12). Jesus does give these names (especially his own new name) to himself. In Rev 2:17, Jesus promised to give the one who overcomes the white stone and the hidden manna. In Rev 2:26, Jesus gives the one who overcomes the iron scepter to rule all nations, which he received from his father. Since Jesus is giving these blessings and the one who overcomes is receiving them, the one who overcomes cannot be Jesus. In Rev 3:21, Jesus promised the one who overcomes a seat on his throne. Jesus received this right to sit with God the father on his throne because he too overcame.

Ummm...the overcomer Jesus refers to is US! We, the Church! We, individuals, who comprise the Bride! I have no idea how you can discern otherwise.

If you are saying that we are the overcomers according to Rev 2-3, then you are declaring that the events of Rev are taking place. Yes, we should overcome sin in our lives and personal struggles, etc., but when the events of Rev take place, then we must overcome at that time. If you claim that you are an overcomer, you need to answer these questions: what does it mean to eat from the tree of life? How can we eat from the tree of life? What does the iron scepter mean? Where is your iron scepter?

If someone claims to be the one that overcomes, then he or she must be able to explain the 12 blessings that Jesus promised to the one who overcomes.

[Jack_White]

Due to the many visits and comments many are interested in this topic. To the moderator, could we delete this topic here in the "Outer Court" and start the discussion again in the "Inner court"? When I first posted this discussion, I did not realize the differences between the outer and inner courts in this chat forum. As a moderator and I discussed, this topic is definitely not for unbelievers. My apologies in that regard. A moderator also asked me on the origin of the post. I have posted this discussion in other places, so if you see it posted elsewhere...yeah, that is my post. I hope that it encourages others to read their Bibles even more deeply. Some others have wondered why I would post something like this. In some Christian countries the persecution of labeling other denominations as cults is quite rampant and the stereotypes are very high. Where I currently am, if I open my Bible in a coffeeshop, others view me as a Mormon or Jehovah Witness. If I study with friends in a home and not in a church setting, many Christians believe that it is a cult just by the nature of studying outside the home. These things happened even to many believers of different denominations in this country. What is the standard for determining if something is a cult or not? Should it just be from outward appearances or acts? Shouldn't our standard be the Bible?