Age of the Earth

[seekeratthesea]

Brothers and Sisters,

This question came up in chat today, (July 3, 2008):

Accoding to the Bible, starting with Adam, mankind is approx 6,000 years old according to the Hebrew calender. so then How much older is the Earth compared to Man? Is it 4 days older, or is it much older as stated by the verse, 2Pe 3:8 "But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day."?

Your comments would be appreciated.

Love In Christ,

Bill_C.11

I think it's a mistake to try wrapping God's work up in man's timetable, or man's perception of time. It's a natural kind of mistake that we cannot get away from though because we've been geared for the temporal and the finite ever since we brought ourselves low at the fall of man.

God doesn't exist in time and although He knows how we perceive time from our limited, finite perspective, I would guess that God Himself does not perceive time, or experience the passing of time. It's a disconnect between God and us.

The problem with this line of thought is that if you talk this way, some claim that you don't REALLY think the Bible is inspired because Genesis sounds literal, but I believe there literally are different definitions of "day" if you go back to Hebrew.....

day, time, year

1. day (as opposed to night)

2. day (24 hour period)

1. as defined by evening and morning in Genesis 1

2. as a division of time 1b

3. a working day, a day's journey

4. days, lifetime (pl.)

5. time, period (general)

6. year

7. temporal references

1. today

2. yesterday

3. tomorrow

______________________________________________________________________________

God does exist and He exists in time. Time is and always was measurable. It has existed as long as God has existed, since time eternal past and will exist into time eternal. God cannot be called an eternal being unless time was eternal.

Scripture teaches that eternity is made up of time and that time shall not cease. There is a time and a season for everything done under the sun (Eccl. 3).

God, who created "In the beginning" (Gen. 1:1), who was "In the beginning" (John 1:1), who originally made the sun, moon, and stars, "In the beginning" (Gen. 1:1), made light and night and day to regulate times and seasons in the eternla Universe and the eternal Earth.

The work of day four was the permanent restoration of the solar system in connection with the restored Earth, to divide the day from the night; and to be for signs and for sseasons, and for days and years forever (Gen. 1:14-18). This solar regulation causing eternal time on the Earth is eternal: "They shall fear thee as long as the sun and moon endure, throughout all generations . . . .His name shall endure for ever: His name shall be continued as long as the sun" (Ps. 72: 5 and 17); "I have sworn unot David my servant, Thy seed will I establish for ever . . . . his throne as the days of Heaven . . . . as the sun before me. It shall be established forever as the moon" (Ps. 89:4, 27-37).

God promised Noah that there would be day and night, summer and winter, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, forever on the Earth (Gen. 8:22).

The Earth is eternal; so time made up of seconds, minutes, hours, days, weeks, months, and years is also eternal (Eccl. 1:4; Ps. 104:5). When the Bible says "There shall be no lnight there" it speaks of the city, the New Jerusalem, and not the Earth outside of the city (Rev. 21:23-27).

We are in eternity now. As we have seen in the above Scriptures, eternity has always existed for God has always existed from everlasting to everlasting (Ps. 41:13).

"For thus saith the high and lofty ONE that inhabiteth eternity, who's name is Holy . . . "(Isa. 57:15), and eternity will be made up of time as we now know it; so if time continues eternally as it is now, in the sense of being eternal time we are now in eternity. We do not mean by this that we are now in our eternal state, for that will not be true until we enter into immortality (1 Cor. 15:51-58; Phil. 3:20-21). But we can truly say that we are in time that will be eternal and that we are in part of eternity now.

Just what God did in the eternal dateless past no one knows, for He has not revealed His activities from all eternity past (Deut. 29:29). All we know is that God existed from all eternity, and that sometime in the dateless past God brought into being the heavens and the earth and all things originally made therein.

That God existed from all eternity is very clear in Scripture: "Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hast formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God" (Ps. 90:2). "Thy throne is established of old; thou art from everlasting" (Ps.93:2; Prov. 8:22-31; Micah 5:2; Heb. 9:14; John 1:1-3; Rev. 1:4-8; 4:8; 22:5, 13).

If God is from the eternal past, which is time past, and God, man, and the Earth will continue into the eternal future, then continued time, which is time from now on into eternity, then we can say time has always existed with God, or there would be no mentioning of time eternal "past."

God is from everlasting to everlasting. Everlasting what?

"EVERLASTING TIME" of course.

Sorry but it's just not convincing, and not because you don't argue your point well enough.

God is infinite and has no use for time. Neither will we have any use for it in heaven and I don't believe we'll even perceive it once we're there. The concept won't exist because nobody would care what time it is in eternity which is basically just the nonexistence of our old concept of time.

I would go as far as acknowledging that time exists "in the human mind" and that God knows that we think this way as part of our fallen world perspective but beyond that, no more. Time is a product of the human brain, in God's realm, there's no "time" for such notions.............

[RebekahDavid]

interesting thread when it stays on topic

just a thought of mine with a question.

my opinion only: i am thinking that when God created Adam and Eve they were of course not created as infants but as complete adults fully mature. like wise the trees, the birds etc were all in place not in the seed stage or the egg stage etc. and that this was instantly upon their creation.

my question:

If this is a feasible concept could not God aslo create a fully "full developed" earth passing our concept of normal time development needed?

this is just an opinion folks and i am interested in your responses (opinions) not my defending it or trying to change anyone's opinion to mine. thanks.

as i know i am not God so i also know His thoughts and ways are above mine so i will neverfully fully understand the marvel till i see Him face to face.

i will bow out now of the thread now

love your sister in Christ,

Rebekah David

[spiritman]

The way to refute someone on biblical doctrine, is not to say that's your opinion, the proper and accepted way to do it, is by scripture, like I did H. Dad; I showed him through scripture that 1. The Gap theory contradicts Exodus chapter 20:11 where moses said " In six days the Lord made the heaven and the earth". The Gap theory says that the earth is much older. 2. I showed in the Hebrew how to properly interprete the fact that when you have passages that have the same words in them;

There is actually a difference between Exodus 20:11 and the Genesis passage (in terms of the hebrew). In Genesis 1:1 the word used for create is the Hebrew word barah, meaning to create from nothing. This verb is only used with God as the subject (in other words only God can create from nothing). In Exodus 20:11 the Hebrew word 'asah is used. This word means to fashion out of something that already exists. So this could actually be supportive of the "Gap Theory". God made (barah) the world from nothing in the beginning (Genesis 1:1). The after a gap, he fashioned it ('asah) in 6 days (Exodus 20:11). Obviously the writers saw a difference between the intial creation of earth and its subsequent forming by God because they use two different verbs to describe them.

Greetings brother Eric H,

I pray that you had a wonderful day, I pray that the Lord will bless us with understanding as we read this:

The key word there to your entire point is could, could mean that something was made from something else. kind of lack on dedication aren't we? . I was hoping to get this back to the english but ok we will do more hebrew. anyways, asah is a synonym of Bara for example in Genesis chapter 1:26-27 we see both words used together; Genesis 1:26-27 reads as follows note I'm taking out the english and replacing it with the Hebrew: 26 And God said, Let us ʿāś

[spiritman]

God upholds all things by the Word of His power. Genesis is correct. The 6000 years is correct. The Word is what's faithful. The Lamb slain from the before the foundation of the earth is what's faithful and whole the universe was orchestrated to honour His Love.

Science ideally compliment the Lord and serve the earth as they ought. Others are yet to acknowledge the source of their achievement.

It is important to remember that only what is of faith that is substantial, that means the Bible is right and we mustn't be intimidated by scientific speculation, they need to do that until they believe.

well said psalmone

[HAZARD]

God upholds all things by the Word of His power. Genesis is correct. The 6000 years is correct. The Word is what's faithful. The Lamb slain from the before the foundation of the earth is what's faithful and whole the universe was orchestrated to honour His Love.

Science ideally compliment the Lord and serve the earth as they ought. Others are yet to acknowledge the source of their achievement.

It is important to remember that only what is of faith that is substantial, that means the Bible is right and we mustn't be intimidated by scientific speculation, they need to do that until they believe.

well said psalmone

Hi'spiritman'

"The Lamb slain from the before the foundation of the earth is what's faithful and whole the universe was orchestrated to honour His Love.

.

"For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else" (Isa. 45:18).

Mate, read the above scripture? The universe was created to be inhabited. Jesus died because of sin and for our salvation and this not to be confused with the creation of the Earth and the universe.

Your are right, Genesis and the Bible is right, every time. Have you read all these Scriptures with an honest open heart? Took me months to find and compile them. it never ceases to amaze me how people can insist the Bible is right and not study ever Scripture closley as Jesus commands we should. "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me" (John 5:39). Now if after studying all these Scriptures you still think that the Earth is 6,000 years old then so be it in your eyes.

QUOTE (HAZARD @ Jul 10 2008, 07:36 AM)

I am not out to change anyones view on when God created the Universe, I am about gleaning the Scriptures to find just what they do say. If I am in error so be it, but if one can find two three or more scriptures to support a doctrin then such doctrin can be believed. Personally, I believe both science and the Bible supports an old Earth, at least much older than 6,000 years.

Just when did God create and make the material universe?

Keeping in mind the Scripture "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God" (John 1:1), we can ask ourselves but never imagine or even contemplate when "In the beginnin was because God is an eternal being, who forever was and forever ever will be. "The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made" (John 1:2-3).

The Bible says that the heavens cannot be measured and the host of heaven cannot be counted (Jer. 31:37; 33:22-25). If this is true then the material universe is vast beyond conception, and as God has existed from all eternity it is also hard to concieve that He only decided a few millenniums ago to do something.

In answer to this question the Bible tells us that, "In the beginning [literally, by periods or ages] God created the heaven [Hebrew, heavens] and the earth," it does not say "Six thousand years ago God created the heavens and the earth," as is generally taught by man. Does anyone know just when the beginning was? If anyone does know, then they know more than God as revealed. If no one knows just when the beginning was then it stands to reason that we just do not know and therefore, we should not teach that the beginning was 6,000 years ago. As far as any man knows it could have been six billion years ago.

When we speak of the six days and the creation of the present life in Earth, we can speak with definate authority that it was 6,000 years ago. This can be seen by the lengths of the various dispensations since Adam.

Some teachers use Exodus 20:8-11; 31:17 to prove that the heavens and the Earth were created in the six days of Gen. 1:3-2:25, and therefore, that they were created about 6,000 years ago. However, nothing is said of the original creation of the heavens and the Earth in these passages. In these Scriptures the Hebrew, asah, meaning to make out of already existing material, is used instead of the word bara, to creat. These verses picture the re-creation work of the six days, and not the original creation "In the beginning." Asah never means to create.

Undoubtedly, God created and made the different parts of the material universe and each thing therein, using the same care as in the six days when He restored the planet Earth to a habitable state and made a new order of Earth creatures, after its destruction and ruin caused by the first war ever fought. This war was a cataclismic battle between God and Satan, when Lucifer invaded Heaven to cast God out. Satan was defeated and cast back down to the Earth, as is written in Isa. 14:12-14; Luke 10:18. This war was fought long before the days of Adam, for Lucifer was already a fallen creature when he came into Adams Eden. For an unknown period, there was an original social system on this Earth ruled by Lucifer as proved in (Isa. 14:12-14; 45:18; Jer. 4:23-26; Ezek. 28:11-17; 2 Pet. 3:5-7). Along with this origional social system there were land animals, birds, fish, and other creatures created, and they were destroyed in the flood of Gen. 1:2; Ps. 104:5-9; 2 Pet. 3:5-7. It is to this period that all fossils and remains of animals belong, as well as geological formations of the Earth.

Between these original creation's of God, "In the beginning' and the creations of the six days, is revealed the rule of Lucifer on the earth for an unknown period, his rebellion against God, the Earth's first sinful career, the defeat of Lucifer by God, and the overthrow of his kingdom by the first recorded flood on the earth in Gen. 1:2. Lucifer was the first ruler on the earth and he already had his period of Earth rule and his fall by the time of Adam.

In the work of the six days, it is stated that God with His hands FORMED each of the living creatures and man out of the dust of the ground (Gen. 1:20-27; 2:7-25; Job 26:13; Rom. 9:20; 1 Tim. 2:13). It is not only clear that God created the heavens and the Earth and all things "In the beginning," or each in its own period, but it is also clear the God FORMED all things with His hands. God formed both light anddarkness (Isa. 24:7). He did not do this on the first day of Gen 1:3-5, for at that time He merely DIVIDED them. Therefore THEY MUST HAVE BEEN CREATED AND FORMED before the first day. It is also stated that God with His hands FORMED the Earth (Ps. 8:3, 6; 90:2; 95:5); the heavens (Ps. 8:3; 9:1; 102:25; Isa. 40:12; the planets (Ps.8:3; Isa. 40:26; 45:12; 48:13; Heb. 1:10) and all things (Prov. 26:10). From a study of all these Scriptures and those on the creation af all things, it is clear that by the Word of God the materials were brought into existence, and then by His hands God formed the materials into the various parts of the universe. That is, as God spoke, the materials came into existence and as fast as they materialized He used them to form all things with His hands. (Ps. 8:3; 2 Pet. 3:3-9; Prov. 26:10).

Judging from what was done by God in six days, it took God a long time to originnaly create or bring into existence the material and use it to form with His hands each sun, moon, star, planet, and each creature that inhabits the vast endless universe. God took one day to merly divide the light from the darkness on this little planet Earth. How much time He originally took to bring into existence all the light and darkness of the entire universe is not known, but evidently He took a longer time than one day. God took one day to divide the waters which covered the Earth and restore the firmament and took one day to restore the earth and set bounds to the seas, therefore He naturally took a much longer period to originally bring the materials into existence and form the waters, the firmament, and the earth with its many mountains and valleys. God took one day to complete solar regulation in connection with the restored Earth, but He evidently used a much longer period to originally bring into existence and formwith His own hands the vast heavens and all the suns, moons, stars, and planets that are without number. God took two days to form the fish, fowls, beasts,, man and woman. He naturally took a much longer period to originally creat and form each inhabitant of the vast heavens and the many animals and inhabitants who originally lived on the Earth during Lucifer's kingdom, long before the chaos of Gen 1:2 and the six days of Gen.1:3-2-25.

In other words, if God took six days to restore one little planet to a habitable state and form new inhabitants for the earth, He would naturally take a much longer time to originally create and form with His hands the vast universe with all of its innumerable suns and planets along with their inhabitants.

In Jesus,

Haz.

____________________________________________________

Well said and thought out Partic Brooks. The Heavens created first, and there being no light makes no sense at all does it?

The following many dozens of Scriptures tends to support the above.

Scrptures show that something catastrophic happened between Gen.1:1, and Gen. 1:2.

God created the heavens first consisting of Sun, Moon, Stars, and Galaxies, so there WAS LIGHT, . . . then He created the EARTH, It is not until the second verse that it is mentioned that it was DARK??????

Firstly we must ask why did God create the heavens and the Earth?

"For thus sayeth the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not IN VAIN, he formed it to be inhabited: (Isa. 45:18).

Why would God create the heavens with no light and the Earth covered with water, then have to create the sun, moon, and stars, for light after He created the heavens, did he forget to create the sun, the moon, the stars? Did He have a second go at it and have to get rid of all that water that covered even the high mountains?

Why wouldn't He just creat the Earth properly in the first place if it was created to be "Inhabited," fill the depressions with water to make the sea's? Who fills a glass to overflowing when one only wants half a glass? There is an answer.

ANSWER!

Because the Earth was deliberately flooded after Gen. 1;1. Gen. 1:2. Why was the Earth flooded? Because of Sin. "Bare with me here, Lucifers sin." Just as God flooded the Earth again because of the sins of men, (Noah's flood). Because Scriptures don't contradict one another this at least can be proved. I will call Scriptures explaining Lucifers flood (A), and Noah's flood (B).

All Scriptures need to be studied to get the full picture, I know it takes time, and I have been at it for over 30-40 years or more, I really forget now how long it has been.

These are the contrasts between the flood of Lucifer (Gen. 1:2) and the flood of Noah. Which proves Two floods, not one as generally taught.

1 Lucifer, A. The Earth made waste (Gen. 1:2; Jer. 4:23-26; 2 Pet. 3:5-6).

Noah, B. The Earth not made waste (Ben. 8:11-12, 22; Heb. 11:7; 1 Pet. 3:20).

2 Lucifer, A. Earth made empty (Gen. 1;2; Jer. 4:23).

Noah. B. Earth not made empty (Gen. 6:18-22; 8:16).

3 Lucifer, A. Earth made totally dark (Gen. 1;2-5; Jer. 4:23-26).

Noah, B. Not made totally dark (Gen. 8:6-22).

4 Lucifer, A. No light from heaven (Gen. 1:2; Jer. 4:23-26).

Noah, B. Light from heaven not removed (Gen. 8:6-22).

5 Lucifer, A. No day and night (Gen. 1:2-5).

Noah, B. Day and night exists (Gen. 8:1-22).

6 Lucifer, A. All vegetation destroyed (Gen. 1:2; 2:5-6; Jer. 4:23-26).

Noah, B. Vegetation not destroyed (Gen. 8:11, 21; 9:3, 20).

7 Lucifer, A. No continued abationg of the waters off the earth (Gen. 1:6-12).

Noah, B. Continual abating by evaporation over time (Gen. 8:1-14).

8 Lucifer, A. Waters taken off the Earth in one day (Gen. 1:10).

Noah, B. Months of waters abating off the Earth (Gen. 8:1-14).

9 Lucifer, A. Supernatural work of taking waters off the Earth (Gen. 1:6-12).

Noah, B. Natural work of evaporation of the waters off the Earth (Gen. 8:1-14).

10 Lucifer A. No rebuKe or miraculous work in fled away (Gen. 1:6-12; Ps. 104:7).

Noah, B. No rebuke or miraculous work is taking waters of the earth (Gen. 8:1-14)

11 Lucifer, A. The waters on Earth in Gen 1:2 hasted away when rebuked

(Gen. 1:6-12; Ps. 104:9).

Noah, B. The waters on Earth gradually receded (Gen. 8:1-14).

12 Lucifer A, God set bounds around the waters in Gen. 1:6-12; Ps. 104:9).

Noah, B. The bounds were already ETERNALLY SET for waters in (Gen. 8:1-14).

13 Lucifer, A. All fish were totally destroyed in the flood of Gen. 1:2; Jer. 4:23-26).

Noah, B. No fish were destroyed or created again after Noah's flood (Gen. 1:20-23;

6:18-22).

14 Lucifer, A. No fowls left on Earth after (Gen. 1:2; Jer. 4:23-26).

Noah, B. Fowls were left after Noah's flood (Gen. 6:20; 8:7-17).

15 Lucifer, A. No animals left after Gen 1:2; jer. 4:23-26; 2 Pet. 3:5-6).

Noah, B. Some of all animals kept alive (Gen. 6:20; 8:17; 9:2-4, 10:16).

16 Lucifer, A. No man left on Earth in Gen 1:2; Jer. 4:23-26; 2 Pet. 3:5-6).

Noah, B. Eight men and women left after Noah's flood (Gen. 6:18; 8:15-22; 9:1-16;

1 Pet. 3:20).

17 Lucifer, A. No social system left at all in Gen. 1:2; Jer. 4:23-26; 2 Pet. 3:5-6).

Noah, B. A social system left after Noah's flood (Gen. 8:15-22; 9:1-16; 1 Pet. 3:20)

18 Lucifer, A. No ark to save men in Gen. 1:1-2; Jer. 4:23-26; 2 Pet. 3:5-6).

Noah, B. An ark was made to save men and animals alive (Gen. 6:8-8:22; 9:1-16;

Heb. 11:7).

19 Lucifer, A. Cause of the flood, the fall of Lucifer, now Satan, (Isa. 14:12-14;

Jer. 4:23-26; Ezek. 28:11-17; Luke 10:18).

Noah, B. Cause of Noah's flood: the wickedness of men (Gen. 6:5-13); and fallen

angels (Gen. 6:1-4; Jude 6:7; 2 Pet. 2:4).

20 Lucifer, A. Result of this flood: It became necessary to restore the Earth and to

make new life on Earth (Gen. 1:3-2:25, Isa. 45:18; Eph. 3:11).

Noah, B. Result: No new creations made for all men, animals, and vegetation,

were not destroyed (Gen. 6:18-8: 22; 9:1-16).

The only other reference Peter makes to the pre-Adamite world and the flood of Gen. 1:2 is in 1 Pet. 1:20, and here he speaks of Jesus Christ as being foreordained before the foundation of the world. This could never refer to the flood of Noah. Thus we see that Peter taught that there was a social system before Adam that was overflowed by water and PERISHED. If these Scriptures outlined like this don't convince anyone that there was two floods, one Lucifers, Gen 1:2, and the other Noah's, then nothing will and I give up!

Both sin and death entered the perfect sinless world by the malice of the devil (Rom. 5:12-21; and "He that sinneth is of the devil; for the devil SINNETH FROM THE BEGINNING," here is the key 1 John 3:8). God origionally created everything sinless. Even Satan and his angels and demons were once sinless until they decided to rebel against God. There was no devil originally to cause Lucifer to sin. He originated sin when he, by his power of choice, decided not to serve God any longer.

Sin in the beginning, then was the transgression of the law.

When the first man was created he was also formed sinless, but by choosing to sin he became a sinner (Gen. 3; Rom. 5:12-21; 1 Tim 2:14). Before sinning man had power over Satan and his rebels by being united with God and co-operating with Him; but after man sinned he was cut off from the divine help and lost that power over Satan. Lucifer and the spirit rebels were naturally stronger than the two human rebels, and userped man's dominion and gained control of the world and man. Adam, after the fall, was helpless to prevent this control, so yielded to Satan, sold out to him and became a sinner and a child of the devil by choice and life (John. 8:44; Eph. 2:1-3; 1 John 3:8; 5:19). "By one man sin entered the world, and death by sin: (Rom. 5:12-21). God re-created the Earth after Lucifers flood, created Adam and Eve, and man was here before sin again entered the world, and death by sin.

In Jesus,

Haz.

[Guest Honolulu-Dad]

You just won't quit will you spiritman?? If anyone disagrees with you, you launch an attack. You continue to claim that you have used scripture to show me the error of my thinking, yet, all you have done in reality is to take one verse of scripture out-of-context, and call that proof, while you pat yourself on the back.

You refuse to acknowledge that in order to state that Satan fell from Heaven after the creation of Adam, which is the position you have chosen to take, is purely speculation in itself.

You are so full of yourself (prideful and arrogant).

The Bible and science proves that the Earth is more than 6000 years old. The "gap" theory, as you call it, is Biblically based, whether you accept it or not.

Please quit using my name in your posts to other people. I will rebuke you every time you do. You have, IN NO WAY, used scripture to support your position.

You have not corrected me, nor, have you changed my position on the original topic.

I believe, and will continue to believe, that the Bible, correctly divided, clearly teaches that the earth we now live on is not the same earth that was created (brought out of nothing) in the beginning (the dateless past). Oh, by the way, you cannot date something that is dateless.

Anyway, you have closed several of your posts declaring that you have the Love of Christ for me. It's time to prove it - quit using my name in your responses to other people. Leave me out of it. I have nothing furture to discuss with you. I will only rebuke you!!

[EricH]

H. Dad said " I admit that believing satan fell between verses 1 and 2 of Genesis is speculaton.

Gap theory: Eric H said" That the hebrew word asa (Make) in exodus 20:11; could mean something else besides God creating something out of nothing.

You have actually misquoted me here. I did not say the word "could" man that. I said it "does" mean that. Your case is not as tight as you are attempting to make out.

[spiritman]

You just won't quit will you spiritman?? If anyone disagrees with you, you launch an attack. You continue to claim that you have used scripture to show me the error of my thinking, yet, all you have done in reality is to take one verse of scripture out-of-context, and call that proof, while you pat yourself on the back.

You refuse to acknowledge that in order to state that Satan fell from Heaven after the creation of Adam, which is the position you have chosen to take, is purely speculation in itself.

You are so full of yourself (prideful and arrogant).

The Bible and science proves that the Earth is more than 6000 years old. The "gap" theory, as you call it, is Biblically based, whether you accept it or not.

Please quit using my name in your posts to other people. I will rebuke you every time you do. You have, IN NO WAY, used scripture to support your position.

You have not corrected me, nor, have you changed my position on the original topic.

I believe, and will continue to believe, that the Bible, correctly divided, clearly teaches that the earth we now live on is not the same earth that was created (brought out of nothing) in the beginning (the dateless past). Oh, by the way, you cannot date something that is dateless.

Anyway, you have closed several of your posts declaring that you have the Love of Christ for me. It's time to prove it - quit using my name in your responses to other people. Leave me out of it. I have nothing furture to discuss with you. I will only rebuke you!!

I will respect your request and not use your name anymore. I would like for you to see this one verse that I looked up for you. This verse speaks of the creation after it was completed, after day 7: Gen 2:3 (KJV) 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created (Bara definiton something created from nothing.) and made. At this point; the hebrew word should mean something created from something that already existed. but it doesn't why? it's because At this point after the creation God was confirming that He created Bara something out of nothing. Here it is in plain Hebrew H.

[spiritman]

H. Dad said " I admit that believing satan fell between verses 1 and 2 of Genesis is speculaton.

Gap theory: Eric H said" That the hebrew word asa (Make) in exodus 20:11; could mean something else besides God creating something out of nothing.

You have actually misquoted me here. I did not say the word "could" man that. I said it "does" mean that. Your case is not as tight as you are attempting to make out.

Sorry about that chap, if that's the case then can you explain this verse in Genesis chapter 2:3 which uses the words God and Bara together to mean (something created from nothing?) Genesis 2:3 reads: Gen 2:3 (KJV) 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created (Bara definiton something created from nothing.) and made. At this point; the hebrew word should mean something created from something that already existed. but it doesn't why? it's because At this point after the creation God was confirming that He created Bara something out of nothing. Here it is in plain Hebrew Eric. And this verse is after day 7.

[psalmone]

Hi again,

Another thing that might help is to ask the question why after the genealogy back to Adam is so well documented, that is being the sixth day would we want to suddenly require for one day to be as a thousand years etc? What then would we do with the seventh?

I believe that by faith we must receive it as such.

We understand witches and such are able to effect lying wonders with varying degrees of magnitude, and that's darkness, why can't we accept that the God, who is light, be able to create as stated, and with eternal faithfulness?

Edited July 11, 2008 by psalmone