Religious Freedom

[tigger398]

I heard that if your a paster or minister, you can loose your license or get sued if you don't marry gay couples. I thought that we had religious freedom, how is this freedom by forcing them to make a choice like that. What happens if more gays then normal marriages. I don't kinow if thats happened yet more gays then normal.

[mizzdy]

Wow I haven't heard that one yet but wouldn't surprise me at all. With all these hate laws passing around the world and in this country soon enough there will be no real freedoms at all just the illusion of freedom. I am going to have to see if I can find out any info on this.

[O'Dannyboy]

I heard that if your a paster or minister, you can loose your license or get sued if you don't marry gay couples. I thought that we had religious freedom, how is this freedom by forcing them to make a choice like that. What happens if more gays then normal marriages. I don't know if thats happened yet more gays then normal.

I would rather go to the justice of the peace for the "legal" garbage and then hold a "wedding ceremony" before witnesses in the eyes of God. They cannot force a believer to act against his or her conscience. Let the pastors loose their license to "marry" if the government thinks they are set to challenge God's definition of a marriage. There will be no shortage of "ministers", "reverends", "priests" and "pastors" that will be all too willing to perform state sanctioned "marriages" ordained by the government, rather than by God.

[Guest]

[damo1]

well me and my wife will simply say no and not offer our church or will we let this happen no matter what rights are given to the gays in what ever part of the world they live in

pastors will not put up with this if this has been passed as a law

what i will have on our sign at the front of our church in the philippines is this no gay marraiges to be performed by our pastors if you want to mock god and live in sin go to the local Justice of the peace also in clear print dont bother booking our church for your wedding functions if you are a gay couple and have what god did in sodom and gomorah in clear print

pastors should not have there rights taken off them just because these clowns are know being accepted and are allowed to do as they please

where did you get this information from ? if possible would you be able to provid the web page

and is this only for your country or are they looking at introducing this law world wide ?

one thing i am going to have to get use to is doing what my partner does once i am ordained she has done sevral marraiges and said its fun doing this this is also giving her the chance as we will be married on the 15th of dec 2008 and her pastor is doing the wedding for us

this wil never happen where a pastor or minister looses there licence to preach just because they refuse to marry gay couples

God bless from damo

[LionOfZion]

Jah loves ALL mankind. His word isnt intented to spread hate. And if so many of my fellow Christians say it is not our place to judge and point fingers, then why do gays suffer such judgement from MEN. If Jah hates gays, then his will will be inforced upon them. While we are ALL here on earth, why not love as our creator created us to.

Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for he who loves his fellowman has fulfilled the law. The commandments, "Do not commit adultery," "Do not murder," "Do not steal," "Do not covet," and whatever other commandment there may be, are summed up in this one rule: "Love your neighbor as yourself." Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

Paul said it best!!!

[O'Dannyboy]

Jah loves ALL mankind. His word isnt intented to spread hate. And if so many of my fellow Christians say it is not our place to judge and point fingers, then why do gays suffer such judgement from MEN. If Jah hates gays, then his will will be inforced upon them. While we are ALL here on earth, why not love as our creator created us to.

Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for he who loves his fellowman has fulfilled the law. The commandments, "Do not commit adultery," "Do not murder," "Do not steal," "Do not covet," and whatever other commandment there may be, are summed up in this one rule: "Love your neighbor as yourself." Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

Paul said it best!!!

We can love them without facilitating their sin. If fact, it is more for their sakes than our own that we would not encourage behavior that the Bible so clearly describes as "abomination". We Christians are not judging or condemning homosexuals for being who they are. We simply want no part of it and do NOT wish to have their lifestyles forced upon us.

I have said this before and I will say it one more time. I, myself, would not begrudge homosexual couples any legal rights provided to them in a "legal" union. However, these unions should not be considered "marriages". For those of us who call ourselves Christians, marriage is "Holy Matrimony", a commitment and promise made, between an Man and a Woman, in the sight of God. Not a legal union or a contract. The fact that ministers, priests or pastors should be "licensed" to perform religious ceremonies is unconstitutional in my point of view. Again we come back to the so called "separation of church and state". These days the state has inserted itself as the authority which decides who is and isn't "married". It's no wonder divorce is rampant in western countries. They have taken God out of virtually every facet of life. When people understood their marriage was a commitment to both their spouse AND GOD, they tended to take it a little more seriously and did not divorce on a whim. This is why there are so many broken homes and so many children who have no understanding of what a Family is or it's importance in properly raising a child. This is the kind of decay that is rotting our once great nation into oblivion. A country of people who are willfully and blissfully ignorant of sin and unwittingly mollify those around them into thinking that sin is acceptable in the eyes of God. THIS cannot be "tolerated". Sin is sin and lest we reject it AND those who do not turn from it we do those sinners a grave injustice, by resisting our responsibility to set the example. It's called "tough love" and any parent would understand that we only encourage sin when we ignore it.

[EricH]

I heard that if your a paster or minister, you can loose your license or get sued if you don't marry gay couples. I thought that we had religious freedom, how is this freedom by forcing them to make a choice like that. What happens if more gays then normal marriages. I don't kinow if thats happened yet more gays then normal.

This is not true in the US since the government does not license Pastors

[LionOfZion]

Jah loves ALL mankind. His word isnt intented to spread hate. And if so many of my fellow Christians say it is not our place to judge and point fingers, then why do gays suffer such judgement from MEN. If Jah hates gays, then his will will be inforced upon them. While we are ALL here on earth, why not love as our creator created us to.

Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for he who loves his fellowman has fulfilled the law. The commandments, "Do not commit adultery," "Do not murder," "Do not steal," "Do not covet," and whatever other commandment there may be, are summed up in this one rule: "Love your neighbor as yourself." Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

Paul said it best!!!

We can love them without facilitating their sin. If fact, it is more for their sakes than our own that we would not encourage behavior that the Bible so clearly describes as "abomination". We Christians are not judging or condemning homosexuals for being who they are. We simply want no part of it and do NOT wish to have their lifestyles forced upon us.

I have said this before and I will say it one more time. I, myself, would not begrudge homosexual couples any legal rights provided to them in a "legal" union. However, these unions should not be considered "marriages". For those of us who call ourselves Christians, marriage is "Holy Matrimony", a commitment and promise made, between an Man and a Woman, in the sight of God. Not a legal union or a contract. The fact that ministers, priests or pastors should be "licensed" to perform religious ceremonies is unconstitutional in my point of view. Again we come back to the so called "separation of church and state". These days the state has inserted itself as the authority which decides who is and isn't "married". It's no wonder divorce is rampant in western countries. They have taken God out of virtually every facet of life. When people understood their marriage was a commitment to both their spouse AND GOD, they tended to take it a little more seriously and did not divorce on a whim. This is why there are so many broken homes and so many children who have no understanding of what a Family is or it's importance in properly raising a child. This is the kind of decay that is rotting our once great nation into oblivion. A country of people who are willfully and blissfully ignorant of sin and unwittingly mollify those around them into thinking that sin is acceptable in the eyes of God. THIS cannot be "tolerated". Sin is sin and lest we reject it AND those who do not turn from it we do those sinners a grave injustice, by resisting our responsibility to set the example. It's called "tough love" and any parent would understand that we only encourage sin when we ignore it.

When a slave owner strikes a male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies immediately, the owner shall be punished. But if the slave survives a day or two, there is no punishment; for the slave is the owner's property. (Exod. 21:20-21)

Who then is the faithful and wise slave, whom his master has put in charge of his household, to give the other slaves their allowance of food at the proper time? Blessed is that slave whom his master will find at work when he arrives. (Matt. 24:45-46)

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, in singleness of heart, as you obey Christ; not only while being watched, and in order to please them, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart. (Eph. 6:5-6)

Tell slaves to be submissive to their masters and to give satisfaction in every respect; they are not to talk back, not to pilfer, but to show complete and perfect fidelity, so that in everything they may be an ornament to the doctrine of God our Savior. (Titus 2:9-10)

Are we also to support slavery? If we follow the book to the exact letter as you do with homosexuals why not slavery? Do we actually get to pick and choose what we believe to be abominations? Right now well over 27 million people in the world are enslaved. Are we to say the book says this is cool and turn our backs, yet two guys or girls that like to (insert whatever you will) that don

[irishcowboy]

I heard that if your a paster or minister, you can loose your license or get sued if you don't marry gay couples. I thought that we had religious freedom, how is this freedom by forcing them to make a choice like that. What happens if more gays then normal marriages. I don't kinow if thats happened yet more gays then normal.

that license is just a piece of paper man has created to "control" what is and is not said behind the pulpit..... GOD IS THE ONLY ONE THAT ACTUALLY ORDAINS THOSE THAT SHARE THE GOSPEL OF JESUS, THE CHRIST. not man.

as far as some one being sued, that has not come to pass yet, not in the USA anyways. there are only two states that now allow it. and actually condone it, God have mercy on their souls, and the souls of anyone else that condones this action or does not speak against it.

if one condones an activity, it is as if they committed the activity themselves......

if they do not speak against it, they are part of it......

mike