Question

[HAZARD]

Methinks you're arguing in the wrong thread, Haz!

The possibility that one can lose one's salvation does not say that if a person commits suicide they will go to hell (the original question). Unless, of course, you're saying that committing one sin can cause one to lose one's salvation. If that's the case... ooooh boy! we're ALL in trouble! (I'm just so glad that God keeps my salvation and not me! )

If a person is ill mentally or physically and in such a state that they commit suicide, there is no record in Scripture which shows they will be lost. Being well and and in good health and sinning and failing to repent and then commit suicide, Scripture records that these people are lost.

Any true Christian knows that to commit sin and not repent of it, then one is in sin and cut off from God. If a Christian sins and repents then he is immediately forgiven. If a person sins regrets this and is killed before repenting is possible then God would forgive the sin. If a person sins and does not repent but broods over the sin and then commits suicide, Scripture shows that these people recorded as having done this are lost.

[Guest man]

If someone enters a situation willingly and they know that the probability of dying is 100% and they do nothing to protect or defend themselves, is that suicide?

[Larry 2]

What happens if a Christian commits suicide? Do they go to heaven or sent to hell?

Response by larry2 - First of all, I believe not accepting Christ as your savior is the only sin not forgiven. Israel saw the miracles, heard the living water (the word of God) preached to them, and said that what was preached, and what they saw was of Beelzebub, and they didn't drink, and that was blasphemy. Needless to say they didn't accept Jesus as their Messiah, and will have eternity to regret it.

Below we see the history of King Saul's taking of his own life, and these things were given us as examples to show us what God does in our lives also.

1 Samuel chapter 28. Saul is at war with the Philistines and God will not answer his prayer. He seeks a witch at En-dor in verse 7 & 11 to bring up the now deceased Samuel from the dead to answer his questions since God will not. In verse 19 Samuel tells Saul that tomorrow he and his sons will be with him. (In Abraham's bosom.)

Samuel was deceased and was in Abraham's bosom described in Luke chapter 16 where he states Saul will join him. In Hebrews 11:32 we see Samuel described as one of the righteous of old, and so we must realize that Saul was also there also. Abraham's bosom was the resting place of the righteous dead, or also known as paradise in the center of the earth until Jesus died and took paradise to heaven. Now if we die as believers our spirit goes immediately to heaven to be with the Lord. The spirits of the unrighteous dead went to lower hell, and still do until the day of judgment.

Saul fell on his own sword to kill himself in 1 Chronicles 10:4. Then said Saul to his armourbearer, Draw thy sword, and thrust me through therewith; lest these uncircumcised come and abuse me. But his armourbearer would not; for he was sore afraid. So Saul took a sword, and fell upon it. 5 And when his armourbearer saw that Saul was dead, he fell likewise on the sword, and died. 6 So Saul died, and his three sons, and all his house died together.

Our salvation does not depend on what we do, but what God did and our accepting of the sacrifice He made for us. I've read many responses stating how certain things send us to hell, while others do not. One states that not repenting before we die condemns us, and some say that we can jump out of God's hand. If you haven't guessed, I believe in

[Floatingaxe]

Methinks you're arguing in the wrong thread, Haz!

The possibility that one can lose one's salvation does not say that if a person commits suicide they will go to hell (the original question). Unless, of course, you're saying that committing one sin can cause one to lose one's salvation. If that's the case... ooooh boy! we're ALL in trouble! (I'm just so glad that God keeps my salvation and not me! )

If a person is ill mentally or physically and in such a state that they commit suicide, there is no record in Scripture which shows they will be lost. Being well and and in good health and sinning and failing to repent and then commit suicide, Scripture records that these people are lost.

Any true Christian knows that to commit sin and not repent of it, then one is in sin and cut off from God. If a Christian sins and repents then he is immediately forgiven. If a person sins regrets this and is killed before repenting is possible then God would forgive the sin. If a person sins and does not repent but broods over the sin and then commits suicide, Scripture shows that these people recorded as having done this are lost.

So committing suicide doesn't send you to hell if you have an EXCUSE for doing so--mentally or physically ill--even though there is, obviously, no repenting?? Does that apply to ALL sins a physically or mentally ill person commits, or just suicide? See, the reasoning breaks down when conditions begin to be put on what's right and what's wrong. Suicide is a sin--no matter who commits it. The act DOES NOT, however, send one to hell.

Let me ask you this: If I sin and don't repent but brood over it and then die in a car wreck, do you believe I will be "lost"?

If the disease of depression leads a born again believer to do an act of self-destruction, that person will see God, as that person is ill. It is the end result of a terrible, unresolved disease. That child of God will enter into rest, as promised him. When we are born again, we become new creatures and have a new batire. However, sometimes we are beset by illness which affects not only our bodies but our minds. Jesus knows all about it. His promise of eternal life for those who are sheep of His pasture, walking in obedience--until adversity strikes hard, interfering with right thinking--is still a realizable promise.

What about stroke victims who loved and served God all their lives who undergo major personality changes and become foul-mouthed and brutish?

God looks on the heart. I am not a proponent of OSAS, but these are seriously individual situations.

I have an old acquaintance, a very close friend of my sister, who, because of serious physical, sexual and mental abuse as a child in her family, developed OCD and chronic deep depression with suicidal tendencies. She loved Jesus Christ and served Him with her life outside of the depressive bouts. She led people to Jesus in salvation and her spirit was one of the sweetest I have ever known. She was found dead in her bed after taking an overdose of medication in her very early thirties. Beside her was a note attesting to her faith in Jesus Christ, and that she was so very plagued that she just wanted to go to His waiting arms. I believe His arms were indeed waiting for this tortured woman.

Does this romanticize or glorify the act of suicide and negate the very real chastisement of the Lord for such an act? No, please don't think that. My sharing this is to get across the point that when we have a relationship with Jesus Christ that bears observable fruit, you cannot discount that there is no waiting spiritual reward for someone who has been ravaged by a disease no less insidious than is Cancer.

[Larry 2]

This thread was started because I've been seriously thinking about doing it and was curious if it will cause me to go to hell.

This is exactly what I was thinking (not that angelique was thinking about suicide) but those that are here those of you that say they will go to heaven then they go through with it and end up in hell not only will their soul be lost forever but their blood will be on the hands of those that said you would get into heaven.

There are a lot of false doctrine that may be harmless and there are many more that are harmful. But telling people you can commit suicide and still get into heaven is extremely dangerous and very harmful, regardless on your doctrinal stance on this subject you cannot be 100% positive murdering yourself will not send you to hell. You people that have boldly proclaimed you still go to heaven, are you willing to bet your souls on this belief or just the souls of those that are thinking of suicide and might believe you?

If your going to wager a soul it shouldn't be someone else's, wager your own!!!!

Response by larry2 - Again you're off suggesting scripture lies Ezekiel. And then in no way do I ever suggest a person commit suicide, or any other sin as far as that goes. You make all these comments without scripture, and when you do use scripture you seem to use it out of context. I believe that once we're saved we're kept by God and not ourselves and am not afraid to give anyone this good news. Eternal life, Eternal life. That does not make me sad, it doth make me glad and might do the same to one who has given up on life.

You always seem to make statements like this as I quote you: "your doctrinal stance on this subject you cannot be 100% positive murdering yourself will not send you to hell." Show me one scripture that says if you commit suicide you're going to hell because there is none so you do a lot of assuming, and human reasoning to make your case. I have noticed that you flood any thread that pronounces "Once Saved Always Saved" with arguments that finally get the thread shut down so that those of us that would like to discuss it have no chance to. Congradulations.

Here I would like to give this young person a chance to have hope in a Savior that loves them more than He loved Himself, and wants to as the good Samaritan set them back on their feet, cure their hurt, and return unto them the faith they started with on the journey, and to come to learn that we don't have a big "God's eye" watching over us to hit us with a hammer the moment we screw up. Well anyway Ezekiel the reason I love you as a brother is because of the very adamant way you approach things much like the Apostle Paul did in his beliefs; he attacked everything until one day there was a bright light turned on the way to Damacus. I'm looking forward to that day.

God bless you in Jesus' name - larry2

[Ovedya]

I am not making the argument that you will or will not go to hell if you commit suicide, but unless you are God Himself and can know for sure 100% without any shadow of any doubt that murdering yourself will not send you to hell, you should not tell people otherwise.

I think the most important facto is th reason why someone would want to end their own life int he first place. Let's fotget the theological issues when there's a real person directly involved.

[Larry 2]

I am not making the argument that you will or will not go to hell if you commit suicide, but unless you are God Himself and can know for sure 100% without any shadow of any doubt that murdering yourself will not send you to hell, you should not tell people otherwise.

Quoting Ezekiel - I am not making the argument that you will or will not go to hell if you commit suicide. Response by larry2 - What are you saying then Ezekiel; that we can't trust scripture?

Response by larry2 - You also say I didn't use scripture. Then I don't know what else you would call the scriptures concerning Saul, David, and Samuel. If these things God gave us are not to be used as proof of Saul's safety in Christ what were they written for? Saul was still called anointed, and he was going to be with Samuel in Abraham's bosom; how much more do you need?

In Jesus' name - larry2

[Ovedya]

I am not making the argument that you will or will not go to hell if you commit suicide, but unless you are God Himself and can know for sure 100% without any shadow of any doubt that murdering yourself will not send you to hell, you should not tell people otherwise.

Quoting Ezekiel - I am not making the argument that you will or will not go to hell if you commit suicide. Response by larry2 - What are you saying then Ezekiel; that we can't trust scripture?

Response by larry2 - You also say I didn't use scripture. Then I don't know what else you would call the scriptures concerning Saul, David, and Samuel. If these things God gave us are not to be used as proof of Saul's safety in Christ what were they written for? Saul was still called anointed, and he was going to be with Samuel in Abraham's bosom; how much more do you need?

In Jesus' name - larry2

PLease....let us not go down this road again...

[~~ angelique ~~]

Actually, I was asking this question because I was seriously considering committing suicide. Since posting this question, my husband died. :( This one question and its lack of a clear answer is the only thing stopping me from doing it at the moment. A lady in the grief group I'm attending brought up this topic last week. Heaven or hell?? I dunno but a lack of a clear answer is halting me for the moment.

[Guest Biblicist]

Actually, I was asking this question because I was seriously considering committing suicide. Since posting this question, my husband died. This one question and its lack of a clear answer is the only thing stopping me from doing it at the moment. A lady in the grief group I'm attending brought up this topic last week. Heaven or hell?? I dunno but a lack of a clear answer is halting me for the moment.

Why were you considering that, Angelique?