Biblical tongues

[ParanoidAndroid]

It's honestly a stretch to take this view, and I can't see how you can see it otherwise unless you impose your own preconceptions on the Bible first.

All the best,

The thing is unlike most I have no preconceptions.

Funny that I was thinking the same thing about myself

Seriously, we all think we have no preconceptions and look at things without bias. On what basis then do you say that the "tongues of angels" in 1 Corinthians 13 is speaking about the gibberish that people in Pentacostal and other Charsimatic Churches? Give me biblically accurate textual understandings - I won't accept personal experience, since everything is ultimately personal experience and every religion is based on that and thus all beliefs would be just as valid (Muslims, for example, believe they are right because of their experience). All we can know then of God is what the Bible tells us. Feel free to enlighten me - if you didn't get this view of tongues from your preconceptions and personal biases, then where did it come from?

~ PA

[Floatingaxe]

The point is---millions of Christians experience this gift. We speak in tongues for the exhortation of the assembly and there is accompanying interpretation also. Do you disparage the interpretive gift? Why not? Why not trample on those who are given that particular gift?

Why do you trample on things you do not experience? Because of fear...or chosen ignorance. Millions of believers, young and old joyfully erupt into inknown language when they deeply worship or appeal to God in prayer. It happens and we cannot, nor will we deny it. It follows Scripture and does not vary with it.

All the noise about this gift that we are blessed to possess is merely from those who don't want it. When you do, just ask God who gives with liberality. You cannot knock what millions know personally. It insults the brethren and grieves God. I would never want to be one who grieves the Holy Spirit by knocking Him in such a way. It's one thing to not understand the giftings, but it is another thing to argue against them with those who actually use them.

[Floatingaxe]

The point is---millions of Christians experience this gift. We speak in tongues for the exhortation of the assembly and there is accompanying interpretation also. Do you disparage the interpretive gift? Why not? Why not trample on those who are given that particular gift?

Why do you trample on things you do not experience? Because of fear...or chosen ignorance. Millions of believers, young and old joyfully erupt into inknown language when they deeply worship or appeal to God in prayer. It happens and we cannot, nor will we deny it. It follows Scripture and does not vary with it.

All the noise about this gift that we are blessed to possess is merely from those who don't want it. When you do, just ask God who gives with liberality. You cannot knock what millions know personally. It insults the brethren and grieves God. I would never want to be one who grieves the Holy Spirit by knocking Him in such a way. It's one thing to not understand the giftings, but it is another thing to argue against them with those who actually use them.

this is nice, but no one has argued against them, we have argued against what we see as the un-Biblical idea that this gift is something that everyone can have. This is not what the Bible says, it never, anywhere says that there is any one gift that is given to all, outside of the gift of salvation.

This is what the Bible says about gifts....God also testified to it by signs, wonders and various miracles, and gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his will.

Not our will, not at our asking, but at the Will of the Holy Spirit. It is the Holy Spirit that gives the gifts, and it is the Holy Spirit that decides who gets what gifts. To say that you can demand this gift from the Holy Spirit is to put yourself above the Holy Spirit, which is to put yourself above God

Believe me and believe God more than that--it is His will that we all are baptized in the Holy Spirit and that we pray and worship in the Spirit, in His power. ALL the disciples were given the gift. All His disciples today can have it if they so desire it. We have not because we ask not!

[OneLight]

Believe me and believe God more than that--it is His will that we all are baptized in the Holy Spirit and that we pray and worship in the Spirit, in His power. ALL the disciples were given the gift. All His disciples today can have it if they so desire it. We have not because we ask not!

Yes, I have been baptized in the Holy Spirit and yes I pray and worship in the Spirit and in His power, but I dont need tongues to do any of this, that is where you go wrong.

I will say this Gator, I know most ''pentecostals'' believe that speaking in tongues is the initial evidence of being baptized with the Holy Spirit, and if you haven't spoken in tongues you were not baptized with the Holy Spirit. I do not believe that, nor do I hold to any denominational beliefs especially because that is what any certain denomination teaches.

I believe someone can be filled with the Holy Spirit and never speak in tongues, but I also believe that it available to whoever wants it.

I agree. God never forces anyone to do or accept anything. He gave us a free will, hoping that we choose to follow Him. Those that have chosen this life will find that they do not walk in it the same way as the person beside them. This means nothing to their salvation, for each is saved if they have accepted Jesus as their Savior. No matter how you believe, Jesus has a plan for your life and we should allow Him to direct us in fulfilling this plan. Some will accept tongues, some will not. Does Jesus know this? Yes. Does that mean He cannot use them? No.

Walk the walk that He has given you to walk and love the person next to you no matter what.

[Floatingaxe]

Believe me and believe God more than that--it is His will that we all are baptized in the Holy Spirit and that we pray and worship in the Spirit, in His power. ALL the disciples were given the gift. All His disciples today can have it if they so desire it. We have not because we ask not!

Yes, I have been baptized in the Holy Spirit and yes I pray and worship in the Spirit and in His power, but I dont need tongues to do any of this, that is where you go wrong.

Pride says one does not have need of anything that God freely offers..."Thanks, God, but no thanks."

[Floatingaxe]

Believe me and believe God more than that--it is His will that we all are baptized in the Holy Spirit and that we pray and worship in the Spirit, in His power. ALL the disciples were given the gift. All His disciples today can have it if they so desire it. We have not because we ask not!

Yes, I have been baptized in the Holy Spirit and yes I pray and worship in the Spirit and in His power, but I dont need tongues to do any of this, that is where you go wrong.

I will say this Gator, I know most ''pentecostals'' believe that speaking in tongues is the initial evidence of being baptized with the Holy Spirit, and if you haven't spoken in tongues you were not baptized with the Holy Spirit. I do not believe that, nor do I hold to any denominational beliefs especially because that is what any certain denomination teaches.

I believe someone can be filled with the Holy Spirit and never speak in tongues, but I also believe that it available to whoever wants it.

Yes, I agree with this. I also agree that the gift of a prayer language is an evidence of the infilling, but not THE evidence.

[Floatingaxe]

Pride says one does not have need of anything that God freely offers..."Thanks, God, but no thanks."

And Pride makes one think they know the heart of another.

this is what others were talking about before and the condescending attitude that people like you show towards those that have not been given this gift.

It is clear that you look down on them, even though it is the Holy Spirit that decides who gets what gift, and not humans, ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE

Yes pride does, but pride should not be arguing what millions experience in God. If they don't, fine, but do not disparage the gift because one does not possess it. That is wrong.

I have no condescension toward anyone. I am defending what I know in Christ to be true...you just ask, and God is gracious to bestow. Cruel assessments of people is not of God, but of the flesh.

[Floatingaxe]

Yes pride does, but pride should not be arguing what millions experience in God. If they don't, fine, but do not disparage the gift because one does not possess it. That is wrong.

I have no condescension toward anyone. I am defending what I know in Christ to be true...you just ask, and God is gracious to bestow. Cruel assessments of people is not of God, but of the flesh.

For the 3rd time, I am not arguing what millions experience in God, I am arguing against the idea that this is some sort of thing that is available to all. The Bible teaches otherwise, period.

I am not making a cruel assessment, I am making an honest one. Which is what God wants me to do.

It is cruel to call me condescending. The Word of God is clear to me that praying in the Spirit is an opportunity for Him to speak to God in a heavenly tongue, through MY SPIRIT, using my mouth, bypassing my mind. That is a different ability than the exhorting gift and it is one that every baptized believer in the NT availed themselves of, and Paul prayed in tongues regularly. If one doesn't do it, then fine, but it is a bona fide ability that the Holy Spirit gives any Christian just for the asking... and sometimes apart from the asking! Hallelujah!

[traveller]

People - please stick to the issues. No personal attacks.

[Floatingaxe]

I do stick to the issues, thanks.