Biblical tongues

[ColleenLovesMischief]

Ok I gotta ask it.....are those who are mute expected to speak in tongues as well?

Do mutes pray?

I know several that do. Sometimes with sign language, and sometimes within their hearts and minds.

Well if they can pray in their own ''tongue'' who is to say they cannot pray in other tongues?

Oh my...I can't believe that I just read that one. Well if you are using the tongues example as evidence then is that evidence to you?

I do not think that tongues is necessarily the only evidence for the baptism of the Holy Spirit. I just think that if a mute were baptized in the Holy Spirit it would be possible for the to pray in the Spirit or in other ''tongues''. If they can pray in their own language then why could they not be able to pray in their prayer language?

Ok that I can see. I directed it more to those who believes that outward tongues are the only evidence.

[Floatingaxe]

Ok I gotta ask it.....are those who are mute expected to speak in tongues as well?

I don't think that is a question that should draw laughter from anyone...

I know of people who pray silently in tongues, as if in a vision. I know of one person who related the experience of seeing her words entering the throneroom of heaven in golden script on ribbons of light.

God is awesome and nothing limits Him--not even paralyzed vocal cords.

I know a man well, who recently died, but all his life he suffered with a severe stutter. Very severe. But he was our choir leader for years--and when that man worshiped, he saig clearly without one hesitation! I know that can be a true physiological phenomenon, but in the spiritual--it is definitely a blessing of God.

[Knight of Christ]

This is why i just can't under stand why you ppl put so much importance on tungs alone.

1corinthins 12

28And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

Look at the order of imprantance in wich the gifts are put in. look colsely now and you will see that tungs is actualy the least of these gifts

[AnotherTraveler]

This is why i just can't under stand why you ppl put so much importance on tungs alone.

1corinthins 12

28And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

Look at the order of imprantance in wich the gifts are put in. look colsely now and you will see that tungs is actualy the least of these gifts

Of that list, the modern church has picked out 1, 2, 4, and 8 to disclude today as being valid. We are left with teachers, gifts of healing (sometimes), helps, and governments. I for one don't want any of this list to be invalidated.

[Floatingaxe]

This is why i just can't under stand why you ppl put so much importance on tungs alone.

1corinthins 12

28And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

Look at the order of imprantance in wich the gifts are put in. look colsely now and you will see that tungs is actualy the least of these gifts

The Word says that tongues are the least of the gifts. Just because that is so, doesn't mean we must discount it, as people are doing. What is being argued is the fact that we all can speak to God in a heavenly tongue in prayer. That is not the ministry-type gift of tongues that is on that list.

[Ovedya]

This is why i just can't under stand why you ppl put so much importance on tungs alone.

1corinthins 12

28And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

Look at the order of imprantance in wich the gifts are put in. look colsely now and you will see that tungs is actualy the least of these gifts

The Word says that tongues are the least of the gifts. Just because that is so, doesn't mean we must discount it, as people are doing. What is being argued is the fact that we all can speak to God in a heavenly tongue in prayer. That is not the ministry-type gift of tongues that is on that list.

Actually I have yet seen any conclusive Scriptural evidence that there is a special "heavenly language" called "tongues." The heavy reliance upon a single verse does not make for a very stable church doctrine.

[Knight of Christ]

This is why i just can't under stand why you ppl put so much importance on tungs alone.

1corinthins 12

28And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

Look at the order of imprantance in wich the gifts are put in. look colsely now and you will see that tungs is actualy the least of these gifts

Of that list, the modern church has picked out 1, 2, 4, and 8 to disclude today as being valid. We are left with teachers, gifts of healing (sometimes), helps, and governments. I for one don't want any of this list to be invalidated.

Well all except for goverment myself (no i am not starting a politcial debate lol) but there is far more to it than just that passage for excample the hole of 1Corinthains Ill try to breake it down for everybody

1 Corinthians 14

1Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.

(here paul is clearly stateing that he gift of prophesy is far more helpfull than tungs is)

2For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

(When one speeks in tungs it is not understed by anybody but God so what good is that)

3But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.

(Paul is stating here that someone that prohesieth can help ppl better)

4He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

(I think that this passage is self explanerty)

5I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

(Hed rather use phorphsey insted becouse speeking in tungs is useless with out an intureperter)

6Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?

(if you are speeking in tungs and no one understands a word that you are saying then what good is it)

7And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?

8For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?

(this also should be self explanertory)

9So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.

(no one is going to listen if thay cant understand you)

10There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.

(all words mean something)

11Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.

(if you don't understand a language it sounds like gibberish)

12Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.

(it's best to seek gifts that help others come to God and glorfy the Lord)

13Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.

(if you do pray in tungs also pray that you can intrupret or that someone els can)

14For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

(yet again this should be self explanitory)

15What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

(for any one thing you allso need the understandig)

16Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?

(what good is it if no one understands what you are sayig)

17For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.

(speeking in tungs is good, but it is not edifying to anybody)

18I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:

19Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.

(tis beter for other to be understand you, makes it easer to teach others about Jesus)

20Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.

(act you're age not you're IQ)

21In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.

22Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

(Tungs is a sign to the beliver, prophesying a sign to the unbeliver)

23If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?

( if a new person should come to you're church and everybody is talking in some strange language they will think that you are nuts)

24But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:

(porphesying may do a better job of convinceing thouse same new ppl)

25And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.

26How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

(let all you do edify everybody)

27If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.

(hope there is someone there to inturpret or speeking in tungs is useless)

28But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

(if you have no intruperter keep you're trap shut)

29Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.

(prophes should speek in groupes and other can decide what to belive)

30If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.

(take turns)

31For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.

(yet again take youre turn)

39Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

(prophcey is better but tungs dose have it's place)

40Let all things be done decently and in order.

[Knight of Christ]

Ok I gotta ask it.....are those who are mute expected to speak in tongues as well?

Do mutes pray?

I know several that do. Sometimes with sign language, and sometimes within their hearts and minds.

Well if they can pray in their own ''tongue'' who is to say they cannot pray in other tongues?

Oh my...I can't believe that I just read that one. Well if you are using the tongues example as evidence then is that evidence to you?

I do not think that tongues is necessarily the only evidence for the baptism of the Holy Spirit. I just think that if a mute were baptized in the Holy Spirit it would be possible for the to pray in the Spirit or in other ''tongues''. If they can pray in their own language then why could they not be able to pray in their prayer language?

Ok that I can see. I directed it more to those who believes that outward tongues are the only evidence.

could have foold me ax seemes everytime i turn around ppl are putting to much importance on tungs

[Floatingaxe]

This is why i just can't under stand why you ppl put so much importance on tungs alone.

1corinthins 12

28And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

Look at the order of imprantance in wich the gifts are put in. look colsely now and you will see that tungs is actualy the least of these gifts

The Word says that tongues are the least of the gifts. Just because that is so, doesn't mean we must discount it, as people are doing. What is being argued is the fact that we all can speak to God in a heavenly tongue in prayer. That is not the ministry-type gift of tongues that is on that list.

Actually I have yet seen any conclusive Scriptural evidence that there is a special "heavenly language" called "tongues." The heavy reliance upon a single verse does not make for a very stable church doctrine.

It's been given, but it is something that all who are exercising in the Spirit know, and don't argue about it. We pray and sing in the Spirit often and regularly. It is a joy to us, and to the Father.

[ColleenLovesMischief]

Ok I gotta ask it.....are those who are mute expected to speak in tongues as well?

I don't think that is a question that should draw laughter from anyone...

I know of people who pray silently in tongues, as if in a vision. I know of one person who related the experience of seeing her words entering the throneroom of heaven in golden script on ribbons of light.

God is awesome and nothing limits Him--not even paralyzed vocal cords.

I know a man well, who recently died, but all his life he suffered with a severe stutter. Very severe. But he was our choir leader for years--and when that man worshiped, he saig clearly without one hesitation! I know that can be a true physiological phenomenon, but in the spiritual--it is definitely a blessing of God.

It was not intended to be funny. My next door neighbor is mute.