Biblical tongues

[damo1]

I now exactly what "tongues" are and who is using them. But nothing in the bible ever has, nor will ever, justify what certain "movements"/"churches" are doing with a "gift" from God. I'll stick to the leading of the Holy Spirit.

Living for Him, denise

one thing that has helped me is studying gods word and not listening to what man has to say tongues is a gift that god gives us though when it comes to the other gifts tongues is the very last gift on the list

the term tongues when used in refrence to speaking just simply means language the Greek word is glossa and means tongues language and the verb laleo means to speak producing the word glossolalia

if you go to strongs and look at the definition you will come across these refrences

Thayer Definition glossa

1 the tongue a member of the body an origon of speech

2 a tongue

3 the language or dialect used by particular people distinct from that of other nations

Mark 16 - 17 And these signs shall follow them that believe in my name shall they cast out devils they shal speak with new tongues

and when i was looking into this for my self i noticed this

this statement made by Jesus to his apostles on the gift of speaking in tongues is in the context of the Greatest commission to preach the gospel to the whole world to every creature Jesus disciples were to receive the power of the gift of the holy spirit and they were to proclaim the good news of what jesus had achieved for all mankind first in Israel and then to all the nations tongues foreign languages and people i also noticed as i looked into this for my self that these signs were to confirm the gospel message

thou as i did my own re search into this i also noticed that Jesus never had this gift he had all the other gifts though he never had the gift when it comes to speaking in tongues

pual also explains to the corinthians that the gifts of the spirit are for the advancment of gods kingdom on earth and not for personal edification

tongues are for those that do not believe this is how i have been taught

i also noticed that paul did not discourage any one from speaking in tongues

1 corinthians 14

39 So my brothers earnestly desire to prophesy and do not forbid speaking in tongues

why would paul lay down the law then say this in 1 corinthians 14 and make it clear in verse 39 by saying my brothers earnestly desire to prophesy and do not forbid speaking in tongues

paul would have made it clear and it would be written in plain ink for us all to see to the point were our pastors would be teaching from the pulpit and saying that we are not to seek this gift

if god tends to want us to have this gift and this gift is given to us will you reject it all due to the law ? and say no thank you lord or wil you just accept this with out questioning god ?

what paul is saying is that tongues are a sign to unbelievers who are moved when they hear the gospel spoken in their tongue by men who had never learned or understood it this is exactly what happend at penticost they were all amazed when they heard these unlearned Galilieans speaking in there own native tongue

hear is a site that helped me http://www.speaking-in-tongues.net

you will find this site very use full i did not just dive into this my self when i came out jail in 1988 and found my self in a unitting church that was very charasmatic penticostal i sat at the back and i observed what was going on i am also my own man i do my own re search i do not dive in head first or do i follow suit because everyone else is saying if you dont you cant say you are a true christian

the bible gives us basic guide lines how to live out this life and all we have is gods living word

hope this helps

God bles from damo

quote i know exactly what tongues are

that is good that you know exactly what tongues are but what i am trying to show you is this ther are christians that wil say that what we have today among us is not as genuine or authentic as to what happend in the upper room

i am not against any one hear who has said they speak in tongues i also speak in tongues but i dont tend to stick to the law or do i tend to trip new christians up and tell a new christian they should not seek this gift

i also have observed this since i am croation

if you were to find your self in a country that does not speak english and you were to walk into a service would you tel that pastor to speak in english and not teach in his orgional language or wil you sit in silence and respect what the lord is doing in that country and among the people you find your self worshiping with

i shared this to a christian and he said i was stupid and would not listen to reason

hear is what i said when i got baptised i did not pray for the gift or did i seek the gift my friends who were with me did not even pray though they al speaked in tongues

my pastor took me to a suburb in canberra were he spent most of his saturday handing out tracts and sharing the gospel this particular day i was invited to tag a long we stood out side the mall and prayed it was my turn when i began to pray i asked the lord to grant us favor and i asked the lord to watch over us while i was praying i did not know that i was praying in my own language when i had finished the two men who were standing next to us came up to me and began to speak in croation i found it very hard to speak to the two men i could understand them and only say a few words i called my pastor over and he said he had a friend who would be able to interpret he got onto his mate his mate turned up and we were able to lead thes two guys to the lord were they said the sinners prayer and we gave them a bible each and directed them to a good church which was run by a croation pastor and his services were preached in my language not in english

i pulled my pastor to the side and said i was feeling out of place due to what had just happend i was only a new christian just out of jail and he said dont let it worry you it was the lord wanting to pass a gift on to you dont be afraid of what he wants to give you

know i hope my grammer is not going to a problem as i see that sevral will not apply to a post due to some ones grammer and punctuation please let me know and i will fix this so you can understand what i am trying to say

this is a true story i cant make up what i said hear this really did happen i moved to australia in 1971 i had to learn how to speak english if i was to survive in this country i picked this language up very fast to the point were i could only understand my people when ever i was around a croation or serbian i had to say i am sorry but i cant speak yugoslavian

there are christians who only tend to look at one paragraph of what paul had to say with out seeking it out for them selves and this has brought division among us to were we have one camp against speaking in tongues and one camp for speaking in tongues i dont judge my brothers and sisters in the lord who tend not to seek this gift as i said speaking in tongues is last on the list and many tend to avoid asking god for this gift

i ask that the camp who is against speaking in tongues please dont judge us that use this gift

God bless from damo

[Guest celebratejesus]

You are incorrect, not I. Again, I will stick with the Holy Spirit, and that includes when He speaks to christians God puts in my life to be accountable to(trust)I am sorry you are not one of them. Thank you anyway.

denise

The bible needs no interpretation by man, nor can it "be" interpreted by man.

2 Peter 1:20-21

knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation

for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.

Hi Denise,

You are misunderstanding Peter. Peter was talking about the transfiguration in that chapter and how they heard the voice of God and saw Jesus in His glory, but Peter went on to say that the prophetic word Scripture was a more sure word of prophecy than his eye witness account of Jesus' transfiguration.

He goes on to build on this by saying that it is more a more sure word of prophecy because it is not of private "interpretation" and the Greek word actually means "origin." In other words, the Scriptures are not product of the prophets private or subjective interpreation of any of experiences or world events occurring in their day. The prophecies according to Peter did not originate with the prophets themselves.

The Word of God is not the product of any motive or impulse on the part of the prophets, but rather they spoke as they moved on by the Holy Spirit.

Peter is not speaking against a person reading and discerning the meaning of a passage of Scripture. The Bible is designed to be studied and searched out and "interpretation" is the natural, unavoidable product of study.

EVERYONE interprets Scripture, for better or for worse. Everytime you read a text and decide, "this is what it means," you have interpreted it.

There is nothing in the Bible that tells us not to "interpret" Scripture. The interpretation is the intent of the author. We interpret Scripture by ascertaining the object the author has in view, and it is the author's responsibility to provide us with theh interpretation that he wants us to take from his writing. It is our responsibility to allow the text to draw out what the author intends for us to know.

[Guest celebratejesus]

That is not any of your business. The gifts God gives me are to be used for His glory, not "bragged" about on a forum or anywhere else. There lies the difference between "using" a gift for God or for ourselves.

denise

I now exactly what "tongues" are and who is using them. But nothing in the bible ever has, nor will ever, justify what certain "movements"/"churches" are doing with a "gift" from God. I'll stick to the leading of the Holy Spirit.

Living for Him, denise

Just for clarification -

Do you have/ practice this gift?

[Guest celebratejesus]

I leave you with this but I am not to be in this discussion any longer. I was convicted for being here too long already.

Living for Him, denise

1 Timothy 6

3 If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which accords with godliness, 4 he is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions, 5 useless wranglings of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. From such withdraw yourself.6 Now godliness with contentment is great gain. 7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. 8 And having food and clothing, with these we shall be content. 9 But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and harmful lusts which drown men in destruction and perdition. 10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil, for which some have strayed from the faith in their greediness, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

2 Timothy 3

23 But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife. 24 And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, 25 in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, 26 and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.

[nebula]

[quote name='celebratejesus' post='1234205' date='Aug Just for clarification -

Do you have/ practice this gift?

That is not any of your business. The gifts God gives me are to be used for His glory, not "bragged" about on a forum or anywhere else. There lies the difference between "using" a gift for God or for ourselves.

If this is how you wish to answer...

The reason I inquired wqs because it would help me understand better where you are coming from.

So, for now I am just going to assume, "No," because it is more often then not those who do not have and practice this gift who put the greatest binders on how it is to be used or not.

[EricH]

Satan is indeed crafty. The gifts were given to believers to build up the body and create unity within it. Instead we fight over them and argue. Maybe this verse is pertinent:

If I speak the languages of men and of angels, but do not have love, I am a sounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so that I can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. And if I donate all my goods to feed the poor, and if I give my body to be burned, but do not have love, I gain nothing. Love is patient; love is kind. Love does not envy; is not boastful; is not conceited; does not act improperly; is not selfish; is not provoked; does not keep a record of wrongs; finds no joy in unrighteousness, but rejoices in the truth; bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

1 Corinthians 13:1-7 HCSB

Maybe everyone should review their posts and evaluate themselves in the light of this passage?

[Ovedya]

To the saints that responded to my last post: Although I strongly want to respond to your comments, I feel that my doing so would raise some contentions among us. I have a personal feeling about this subject which stems from a couple of years of very poor experience in a charismatic group. I have seen tongues used, abused, misunderstood and misapplied in so many situations that I feel that the predominance of this practice in the church is erroneous. That may offend some of you, but I only speak my heart on the matter with no ill intent or malice toward anyone. Therefore I am bowing out of this subject.

Grace to you

[nebula]

I really dont think anyone is trying to put a limit on this gift, just trying to look at it from a Biblical point of view. Also I think you would have to agree that this is a gift that is more abused than just about anything else.

It's also used more than the others.

It's also the most talked about one.

It's also the hardest one for our intellectual minds to grasp.

It's also the easiest one to abuse, if abuse is to be taken.

I mean, words of wisdom and words of knowledge - they're either spot on, or they aren't.

Healing - either you are healed or you are not.

Faith - either you have it or you don't.

etc.

[Guest celebratejesus]

Oh really:) "because it is more often then not those who do not have and practice this gift who put the greatest binders on how it is to be used or not". People who follow the Word of God, not a man-made "doctrine" will put binders on false-teaching, always:) You assume which, lets just say, you assumed wrong, which is usually the case when assuming:) Never seen anyone(met anyone)that comes against false-doctrine pertaining to tongues, when indeed, they do speak in tongues:)? It is not anything to brag about(tongues)and it is personal between God and I, and an interpreter).

Discerning between spirits is a good one too:

Fausset's Bible Dictionary

Discerning of Spirits

1 Corinthians 12:10. Discerning between the operation of God's Spirit and that of the evil spirit, or unaided human spirit claiming to utter the dictates of God's Spirit. Acts 5:1-11; Acts 8:28; 1 Corinthians 14:23,37: "if any man think himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord." It is this which assures us of the inspiration of the New Testament The books were accepted as inspired, by churches having men possessing" the discerning of spirits" (1 John 4:1; 1 Timothy 4:1).

Living for Him, denise

[quote name='celebratejesus' post='1234205' date='Aug Just for clarification -

Do you have/ practice this gift?

That is not any of your business. The gifts God gives me are to be used for His glory, not "bragged" about on a forum or anywhere else. There lies the difference between "using" a gift for God or for ourselves.

If this is how you wish to answer...

The reason I inquired wqs because it would help me understand better where you are coming from.

So, for now I am just going to assume, "No," because it is more often then not those who do not have and practice this gift who put the greatest binders on how it is to be used or not.

Edited August 6, 2008 by celebratejesus

[Guest shiloh357]

You are incorrect, not I. Again, I will stick with the Holy Spirit, and that includes when He speaks to christians God puts in my life to be accountable to(trust)I am sorry you are not one of them. Thank you anyway.

denise

I did not speak to you someone trying to hold you accountable. I was simply showing that Peter was not talking about "interpretation" of the Bible in the sense of studying the Bible to learn what it means. I was simply showing you that Peter was addressing how that the Bible was not the product of the mind, will or the impluse of any of the prophets, but that they were inspired by the Holy Spirit. Peter was refuting the notion that Christianity was a religion based on silly fables.

We are all called to study the Bible and study requires interpretation and to deny that is to deny the obvious. Even YOU interpret the Bible as is evidenced in your many posts even while you deny that the Bible is to be interpreted. So on that point you are internally inconsistent with your own professed beliefs. Instead of just brushing my comments aside as if they are beneath you to consider, why don't you show me why I am incorrect?