Sinlessness

[Catsmeow]

Bob, no you're not using anything as an excuse.

You're right...but we're weak and we have a High Priest who sympathizes with our weaknes..

I feel free in Christ..free from legalist and rigidity...free to worship, honor, serve and obey in the freedom of love.

It's just flowing like a river...That's all I can say...really. It's an inner revival and a peace and joy unspeakable.

[Khristeeanos]

OK Bob,

I admit that I phrased the question wrong.

I should have asked:

Is it possible to get to the point where you don't sin anymore.

You think that the question is something like is it possible for a person to live his/her whole life and never sin once.

That is not the question.

It should be:

Does the blood of Christ, and the power of the Holy Spirit, give us the available means to stop sinning.

Of course we ALL have sinned, that is without question. But does that mean that because of Christ's power that we are still but helpless slaves to sin?

I think not!

[Adstar]

Just a question for you all.

Is there anyone here who is now living a sinless life and believes they will not sin again? Please just a yes or no will suffice for an answer.

[AllforJesustheLord]

"NOBODY has ever said or meant that people on this earth can walk around NEVER to have sinned, EVER.

Edited May 29, 2004 by AllforJesustheLord

[Guest Called]

OK Bob,

I admit that I phrased the question wrong.

I should have asked:

Is it possible to get to the point where you don't sin anymore.

You think that the question is something like is it possible for a person to live his/her whole life and never sin once.

That is not the question.

It should be:

Does the blood of Christ, and the power of the Holy Spirit, give us the available means to stop sinning.

Of course we ALL have sinned, that is without question. But does that mean that because of Christ's power that we are still but helpless slaves to sin?

I think not!

Thanks for clarifying that dimeministries. As you can tell there is alot of confusion on this thread. Keslc and I are banging our heads against the proverbial wall, cause we are not being understood. We have been called liars, proud and that we are living in denial. Oh Well!

I am not a slave to sin any longer because of the power of the Holy Ghost in my life! I am not any longer some weak little Christian that is blown back and forth (Ephesians 4:14). I am no longer a fence-riding, lukewarm, let the devil run my life Christian. I realize my need for a Saviour and I also realize that He has given me power to resist temptation. I will answer your question, Yes! I believe you can get to a point in your Christian walk where you don't sin anymore. Am I there yet, no. I do believe the Holy Spirit will help me. I can't do it on my own. It will have to be Christ in me! I didn't believe I could get to the point where I wouldn't sin, until I got the baptism of the Holy Spirit (ooooh controversial! :x: ), yep this little Baptist girl from the south is full of the power of the Holy Spirit and now I believe I CAN DO ALL THINGS THROUGH CHRIST WHO STRENGTHENS ME! PRAISE GOD!

Debbie

[Born Again]

OK Bob,

I admit that I phrased the question wrong.

I should have asked:

Is it possible to get to the point where you don't sin anymore.

You think that the question is something like is it possible for a person to live his/her whole life and never sin once.

That is not the question.

It should be:

Does the blood of Christ, and the power of the Holy Spirit, give us the available means to stop sinning.

Of course we ALL have sinned, that is without question. But does that mean that because of Christ's power that we are still but helpless slaves to sin?

I think not!

Thanks for clarifying that dimeministries. As you can tell there is alot of confusion on this thread. Keslc and I are banging our heads against the proverbial wall, cause we are not being understood. We have been called liars, proud and that we are living in denial. Oh Well!

I am not a slave to sin any longer because of the power of the Holy Ghost in my life! I am not any longer some weak little Christian that is blown back and forth (Ephesians 4:14). I am no longer a fence-riding, lukewarm, let the devil run my life Christian. I realize my need for a Saviour and I also realize that He has given me power to resist temptation. I will answer your question, Yes! I believe you can get to a point in your Christian walk where you don't sin anymore. Am I there yet, no. I do believe the Holy Spirit will help me. I can't do it on my own. It will have to be Christ in me! I didn't believe I could get to the point where I wouldn't sin, until I got the baptism of the Holy Spirit (ooooh controversial! :x: ), yep this little Baptist girl from the south is full of the power of the Holy Spirit and now I believe I CAN DO ALL THINGS THROUGH CHRIST WHO STRENGTHENS ME! PRAISE GOD!

Debbie

Come on Called!!!

[Guest Calamity]

On the contrary, I know exactly what you're talking about. You claim that a person, once saved, can continue to live out the rest of your life without sin. It's called the doctrine of sinless perfection. I have debated this topic before and the truth is, I've never once been given any substantial proof from scripture that one can become sinless; nor have I ever been show where in the Bible it says it is a command.

Ahhh.... this teaching actually has a name. I didn't realize that. Thanks Bob!

[Guest shadow2b]

-So, I agree...we don't achieve perfection in our own right. But Jesus DOES impute His perfection to our account and we are "hidden in Him"...Thank You Jesus!

-ahhhhhhhhhh-CATS--my-Lady-faire-maam--YOU do have a way with words---

-You are ABSOLUTELY COR-RECT---JESUS IMPARTS-HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS TO US-

-WE HAVE NONE OF OUR OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS--NEITHER CAN WE ACHIEVE A

-STATE OF PERFECTION ON OUR OWN PERSONAL--INDIVIDUAL--SINLESS LIVES--

-& LIKE SEVERAL HAVE STATED---WE HAVE NOT ARRIVED AS OF YET!!!!!

-IF ANYONE "THINKS" "THEY" HAVE CAN & or HAVE LIVED-A TOTALLY SIN-FREE-

-LIFE-ARE LIVING IN A "FOOLS- PARADISE"--HAVE--NOT & CAN NOT

-UNDERSTAND -THE SCRIPTURES---shades of jimmy-jones--GOD--"SEES" US--HIS

-SINFUL CHILDREN THRU the SIN-FREE-SINLESS--PERFECTED LOVE & SACRIFICE

-OF HIS HOLY--SON--JESUS-YESHUA---"GOD SEES" US THRU HIS HOLY-BLOOD

-OTHERWISE WE WOULD BE BLASTED INTO NOTHINGNESS--CEASE TO BE--NO

-LONGER EXIST---AS GOD CANNOT LOOK ON SIN--& WE ARE A SINFULL PEOPLE-

-{remember Moses when he asked to} "SEE"GOD--GOD TOLD HIM HE WOULD

-CAUSE HIS GLORY TO PASS BEFORE HIM BUT HE COULD NOT LOOK HIM IN THE

-FACE---WHY ??--GOD CANNOT LOOK ON SIN---NOT EVEN WHEN THAT SIN HAS

-BEEN PLACED ON HIS HOLY SON ON THE CROSS--There was a dark cloud over

-the entire area when JESUS-YESHUA was crucified---WHY??SO GOD COULD

-NOT "SEE"the SIN JESUS-YESHUA-FREELY ACCEPTED ONTO HIS BODY--Otherwise

-WHY did JESUS-YESHUA--CRY-OUT"MY GOD--MY GOD WHY HAST THOU

-FORSAKEN ME??"GOD THE FATHER & GOD THE HOLY-SPIRIT HAD TO TURN THEIR

-FACES AWAY FROM JESUS-YESHUA AT THAT MOMENT--Again GOD CANNOT LOOK

-ON SIN--SO to try & twist the scripture to fit into a pre-conceived-theology just

-WILL-NOT work-& stay TRUE to the Scriptures-anyhow----

[Catsmeow]

Gary: I love the Lord with all my heart and am in awe and affection of Him...continually feeling intense gratitude of heart and spirit.

However, I am continually on my face before Him daily to acknowledge my lack.

I cannot think of a day when I could have done something more for Him or perhaps reacted in a way less than perfect.

God is perfect - but I am most definitely NOT!

I haven't met anybody who really was but some who seem to think they are. That's a bit stunning.

One thing that's occurred to me as a believer is that the longer we live, the more genuinely humble we become. We are more and more aware of our "smallness" and God's "bigness".

I feel so tiny and He seems to HUGE...I cannot even BEGIN to compare myself with the Lord Jesus' sinless perfection. I am in AWE of Him!

So, no .....for me, trying to emulate Jesus is a goal but heaven knows I fall pitifully short of being a reflection of Him....but we sure are making steady progress as time goes by.

[keslc]

I just want to say for the record, I am hurt by the way this thread has gone. I think there is a lot of misunderstanding and assumptions and not a lot of listening (reading??) going on.

Cats,

One thing that's occurred to me as a believer is that the longer we live, the more genuinely humble we become. We are more and more aware of our "smallness" and God's "bigness".

I feel so tiny and He seems to HUGE...I cannot even BEGIN to compare myself with the Lord Jesus' sinless perfection. I am in AWE of Him!

When did I disagree with this? I haven't! I agree with you!! I too long to be the person God created me to be, so I try everyday to follow Him with all that is within me! I am very aware and awed by the greatness of our God! As I grow, I learn that I need to keep learning because I will never know it all or have everything right!

Bob,

If we deny our sinful nature, how can we turn from our sins ? How will you recognize your need to repent if you don't admit your faults ? By saying you believe you can live sinless on earth is to deny your need for forgiveness. I don't think 1 John 1:8-10 leaves you any other stance to take but to admit that you do sin....and you do sin often...I know I do.

When did I deny I had faults or refuse to be repentent? I haven't! I agree that forgiveness needs to be sought for the wrongs we have done, do or will do. I never disagreed with that. I however do not hold to "I sin often". I know I try to live my life in obedience, yes, I make mistakes, I stumble too, I am not perfect, I know the Lord convicts me when I am wrong and I ask my Fathers forgiveness. My only point in all of this is we do not need to continue in deliberate, rebellious sin against God, because when we are His children He gives us tools to escape from sin. I do not subscribe to whatever doctrine you believe I believe. Please read through my posts again this time without the biases you brought to the discussion because of previous discussions you have had. I think you'll see I actually agree with much of what you have said. I was only trying to make an added point that christians should not be passive about sin either. Not disputing what you have said.

Honestly, I feel unfairly attacked because what I have said has been taken the wrong way based on preconcieved notions of doctrines which people thought I was promoting, when I wasn't (please read my posts openly). I apologize if I have hurt anyone else by anything I said. Please forgive me, I do not want to hurt people.

Edited June 2, 2004 by keslc