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For the love of God and all that is good and Holy, please stop this - go no where argueing on WB, it gets us NO where and shows others why NOT to be a Believer~

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God is love, love cannot hate. I am sure glad I do not serve the god you believe in, but that I serve the all loving God of the Bible.

In the interest of bringing peace to two conflicting views, it is helpful to point out that the Bible does say that God hates the wicked, but at the same time, God loves those same people.

God's "hate" is not the carnal, murderous "burn in hell you jerk," contemptuous type of hate that we humans are familiar with. Our hatred is according to Jesus equivalent to murder. God hates and loves at the same time and He does both perfectly.

What we must avoid doing is imposing our carnal expression of emotions onto God. While he expresses emotions similar to ours, His expression of them is far and away more perfect and complete and not tainted with the fallen nature of man.

You see with God hate and love and the manner in which he expresses them are not contradictory, as they are with us. So while God hates the wicked, he also loves them. It is one of those marvelous things about God that make no sense in our carnal reasoning, but is true, nonetheless.

I would also add that the Bible never claims God is "all loving." That is an oft misrepresentation of who He is.

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For the love of God and all that is good and Holy, please stop this - go no where argueing on WB, it gets us NO where and shows others why NOT to be a Believer~

Still stand by this statement also~

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God is love, love cannot hate. I am sure glad I do not serve the god you believe in, but that I serve the all loving God of the Bible.

In the interest of bringing peace to two conflicting views, it is helpful to point out that the Bible does say that God hates the wicked, but at the same time, God loves those same people.

God's "hate" is not the carnal, murderous "burn in hell you jerk," contemptuous type of hate that we humans are familiar with. Our hatred is according to Jesus equivalent to murder. God hates and loves at the same time and He does both perfectly.

What we must avoid doing is imposing our carnal expression of emotions onto God. While he expresses emotions similar to ours, His expression of them is far and more perfect and complete and not tainted with the fallen nature of man.

You see with God hate and love and the manner in which he expresses them are not contradictory, as they are with us. So while God hates the wicked, he also loves them. It is one of those marvelous things about God that make no sense in our carnal reasoning, but is true, nonetheless.

I would also add that the Bible never claims God is "all loving." That is an oft misrepresentation of who He is.

Shiloh, I just want to say that this is a well written and thoughtful statement. Within it is some real understanding.

I am going to make a statement here that some may see as contradicting what you wrote and I do not mean it as such.

I do not think that sending someone to Hell for all eternity is an act of love. I also do not think that GOD will send anyone to Hell that HE loves.

I do hold to the position that GOD has HIS people in the world and Satan has his. GOD's people will be with HIM and are the beloved. Satans will be with him and are the damned.

A great deal of this belief is from the parable of the tares and the wheat. Wheat will never be tares and tares will never be wheat.

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God is love, love cannot hate. I am sure glad I do not serve the god you believe in, but that I serve the all loving God of the Bible. God loves all of us and will gladly accept all who come to Him.

No if God is love He MUST therefore hate. If I love holiness, then I must hate unholiness. If I love righteousness, then I must hate sin. You cannot separate the two and you blatantly ignore what Psalm 5:5, & 11:5 which teaches God does hate sinners. If this is indeed your God then it is not the same God of the bible.

Romans 5:8 "but God commendeth his love toward us that while we were yet in sinners, Christ died for us."

The "us" in here is not all, but who is Paul writing to? The Church at Rome, so this does not back up what you are saying. This text teaches the love of God shown for all of "us" who believe.

1st John 2:2 "And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world."

Websters dictionary defines Propitiation as "The act of appeasing wrath and conciliating the favor of an offended person." To believe that all of the entire worlds sins have been propitiated and Gods wrath has been appeased, is to believe that no one is going to hell. How can a person suffer for sins that have already been appeased? That is rather injustice! So the text cannot mean what you are asserting it to mean.

As I have repeatingly said, and have demonstrated through scripture that God does have a love for the lost but it is not the same love as He has for His elect.

This is the second time you have blatantly ignored and failed to respond to what I had posted. I can see that this is not fruitful, but I do hope others see what scripture truly teaches, and so I will cease to respond to you.

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For the love of God and all that is good and Holy, please stop this - go no where argueing on WB, it gets us NO where and shows others why NOT to be a Believer~

Still stand by this statement also~

And the stand still remains~

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While my husband and I love all the children on the block, we only intimately love and care for and favour our very own. Those other kiddies are not our children.

It's the same way with the household of God. He loves His creation, but he has relationship with only a few...those who are in His very own family, related by blood--Jesus' blood. The others are of another's household.

now, this I can agree with! :thumbsup:

Now that is much better folks~

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I do not think that sending someone to Hell for all eternity is an act of love. I also do not think that GOD will send anyone to Hell that HE loves.
I hear you, but no one is sent to hell at all.

Hell is not where God sends people. If a person chooses continued separation from God, hell is the conseqence, not so much a sentence from God. The person whether intending to or not, has elected that existence in the after life.

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I do not think that sending someone to Hell for all eternity is an act of love. I also do not think that GOD will send anyone to Hell that HE loves.
I hear you, but no one is sent to hell at all.

Hell is not where God sends people. If a person chooses continued separation from God, hell is the conseqence, not so much a sentence from God. The person whether intending to or not, has elected that existence in the after life.

I agree~

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I do not think that sending someone to Hell for all eternity is an act of love. I also do not think that GOD will send anyone to Hell that HE loves.
I hear you, but no one is sent to hell at all.

Hell is not where God sends people. If a person chooses continued separation from God, hell is the conseqence, not so much a sentence from God. The person whether intending to or not, has elected that existence in the after life.

Now this is something I can agree with. :thumbsup:

Dear Lord, I now can go to slepp and not worry that folks on here may type themselves to death trying to show their points~

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