Matthew 7: 21-23

[stormy612]

Matthew 7

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[Doowopjock]

Matthew 7

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[Guest shiloh357]

Matthew 7

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[other one]

Stormy, if one is experiencing a false salvation experience, the dark side will make all kinds of things happen to keep one there.

[Hunterpoet]

This is an excerpt from Albert Barnes commentary. I hope you find it helpful.

" Accordingly, many may be found in the day of judgement who may have been endowed with powers of prophesy, or miricles, as Balaam, or the magicians of Egypt; in the same way as many men of distinguished talents may be found yet destitute of piety and shut out of His kingdom.

[Guest man]

1) I thought no one could cast out demons and perform wonders without Jesus because it is Jesus who casts out demon and performs wonders. I know there are false prophets, but demons don't run from themselves (A house divided will fall), and it is only God through His child that wonders are performed. "Wonders" can't be faked. How can anyone do such things without God's will and power behind it?

Matthew 24

24 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.

2 Thess. 2

9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,

2 Corinthians 11

14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.

15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.

[Doowopjock]

Matthew 7:21-23 is not about false prophets, these people were not trying to deceive Jesus they truly believe themselve to be ''saved'' or ''christians''. As far as your question did they know they were practicing ''lawlessness''? Probalbly, however today in many churches and even in this forum it is taught you can continue in sin after salvation and you will still go to heaven, this belief is called Eternal security or Once Saved Always Saved or OSAS. This teaching is why people will fully believe themselves to be saved just to find out on judgment day that because of their refusal to stop serving sin and start serving christ they will be condemned to and eternity in hell.

I believe I am always saved and that I will not be "born again" unto salvation a second time, only rescued from my own mistakes as I follow the steps my Lord has ordered for me to walk. I do not believe the idea of OSAS gives me "license" to practice lawlessness. I do have liberty, yes--for where the Spirit of the Lord is there is liberty. But liberty and "license" are two very different things. The desire the new birth puts within me longs for the things that please God, and wars against the flesh still hanging on "for dear life", as it were. But I am definitely once saved, and always saved. I never knew how to save myself in the first place, let alone how to keep myself saved; but my Savior does. I trust in Him that He knows what He's doing (even when, admittedly, most of the time I don't). I trust, therefore, that my salvation is "safe", simply because I know in Whom I entrust it to.

[Guest shiloh357]

Matthew 7:21-23 is not about false prophets, these people were not trying to deceive Jesus they truly believe themselve to be ''saved'' or ''christians''.

Well the problem is that the context says otherwise.

The line of thought begins at Matthew 7:15 which Jesus begins explaining how to tell the difference between false prophtets and true prophets. He uses the anology of trees bearing good and evil fruit. He is referring to the fruit of false prophet will be the evidence that He is indeed false.

These false prohets according Matthew 7:22 will claim to have prophesied in His Name and Jesus will reject them has having never knew them. It is talking about false prophets.

today in many churches and even in this forum it is taught you can continue in sin after salvation and you will still go to heaven, this belief is called Eternal security or Once Saved Always Saved or OSAS.

Copy and paste where anyone on this board has made such an assertion. I challenge you to provide one scrap of evidence to back up that accusation.

[Guest shiloh357]

1st of all I didn't say people on these boards have taught this, I said many churches do and they do.

You said it was taught "even in this forum." So I am interested where in this forum it has been taught.

Secondly, OSAS does not teach that you can continue in sin. That is a false value that people like you erect becaue you don't understand firstly that there is no such doctrine as "OSAS." It is called eternal security. Secondly, what we teach is not that you can just continue in sin as much as you want and still be saved. What we teach is that you don't have to get resaved every time you do sin.

However I believe you many believe that once you get saved you are on your way to heaven no matter what you do, you can do nothing to loose, give back or forfeit your salvation.

This is just another case of someone who just enough about a subject to be dangerous.

What we teach is that if you are truly saved you won't WANT to continue living in sin and certainly would not want to forfeiet salvation. We teach that salvation is an inward transformations. There should be no danger of "sinning as much as you want to" because when you get saved, you get a new set of "want to's" If a person "gets saved" but has no demonstrable desire to serve Christ, if there was no transformation, their profession of faith is fraudulent.

A true Christian isn't looking for way to sin. He might stumble in a sincere attempt at serving the Lord, but he doesn't have to live in fear that every sin He commits is a nail in his coffin. He can simply confess his sin and keep on serving Christ.

Eze.33, your problem is that you are not qualified to explain what people like me believe. Frankly, you don't know enough about it to correctly frame our position.

[Guest shiloh357]

1st of all I didn't say people on these boards have taught this, I said many churches do and they do.

You said it was taught "even in this forum." So I am interested where in this forum it has been taught.

Secondly, OSAS does not teach that you can continue in sin. That is a false value that people like you erect becaue you don't understand firstly that there is no such doctrine as "OSAS." It is called eternal security. Secondly, what we teach is not that you can just continue in sin as much as you want and still be saved. What we teach is that you don't have to get resaved every time you do sin.

lol....No such teaching as OSAS, that is a laugh.

OSAS is a label that assigns a false value to Eternal Security. It is assigned by those who want to cast a false light on the doctrine. Basically people like you put the lie in our mouths and then argue against it.