Matthew 7: 21-23

[oak]

Sorry to interrupt but this is my response:

As to the original post:

Yes, it can be said that this is directed to false prophets. However there is no doubt in my mind this was written to shake up, all of those/us who call themselves Christians. Because if people who can perform miracles and call on to Christ are suspect, then we who aren

Edited November 5, 2008 by oak

[Smalcald]

On the other hand I find it depressing the level which Christians in the US have become no different and sometimes worse than the public at large on so many sins, and so many issues; are we not to be different?

Yes, but my Pastor was talking about that the other day. We would be surprised to know the number of professing Christians who claim Christianity on the basis that they mentally assent to the Chrisitan religion.

What I mean is, they go to church therefore the are "Christians." Their profession of faith has nothing to do with a real heart transformation or a true relationship with God. They simply follow family tradition, the believe in God, but they have never really given their heart over to Jesus.

That would account in a large way to why so many professing Christians still continue living in sin.

Yes I think so also.

I wonder what the role of the Church should be in these cases? Maybe we have dropped the ball a little in that regard? I don't mean some sort of hyper inquisition to take place in our congregations, but Christ did challenge those who did the very things you are talking about above, those who do claim the mantle of belief and religiosity; but have no change in their life and simply continue on as before. For their own sake I think we as the church should find a way to address this. Of course one way is from the pulpit as your pastor is doing.

[oak]

On the other hand I find it depressing the level which Christians in the US have become no different and sometimes worse than the public at large on so many sins, and so many issues; are we not to be different?

Yes, but my Pastor was talking about that the other day. We would be surprised to know the number of professing Christians who claim Christianity on the basis that they mentally assent to the Chrisitan religion.

What I mean is, they go to church therefore the are "Christians." Their profession of faith has nothing to do with a real heart transformation or a true relationship with God. They simply follow family tradition, the believe in God, but they have never really given their heart over to Jesus.

That would account in a large way to why so many professing Christians still continue living in sin.

Yes I think so also.

I wonder what the role of the Church should be in these cases? Maybe we have dropped the ball a little in that regard? I don't mean some sort of hyper inquisition to take place in our congregations, but Christ did challenge those who did the very things you are talking about above, those who do claim the mantle of belief and religiosity; but have no change in their life and simply continue on as before. For their own sake I think we as the church should find a way to address this. Of course one way is from the pulpit as your pastor is doing.

Smalcald,

Originally, there was a question posed that culminated in an argument that really went into a different subject. Do you think we can give Shiloh a bit of a breather from the argument? Maybe, Ezekiel wouldn't mind that either. The original question is still valid and open but people seem to want more of what I call the OSAS argument in all its different manifest forms. Let it rest in peace.

Oak

[mead]

On the other hand I find it depressing the level which Christians in the US have become no different and sometimes worse than the public at large on so many sins, and so many issues; are we not to be different?

Yes, but my Pastor was talking about that the other day. We would be surprised to know the number of professing Christians who claim Christianity on the basis that they mentally assent to the Chrisitan religion.

What I mean is, they go to church therefore the are "Christians." Their profession of faith has nothing to do with a real heart transformation or a true relationship with God. They simply follow family tradition, the believe in God, but they have never really given their heart over to Jesus.

That would account in a large way to why so many professing Christians still continue living in sin.

Well said brother

[Emanuel]

All Mankind are born into the physical and soul-ish dimension at natural birth: Adam nature is all human nature - spiritually dead because of the Sin nature even at natural birth, hence the need for the Saviour.

Then at re-birth he/she is reborn into the Spirit dimension (Christ nature). The spirit realm refers to both the spirit and soul dimensions.

EXAMPLE: The Will of the Father God, are works done in the Spirit dimension as against secondary and lower soul-ish and physical works.

“For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.” (Ephesians 6:12)

ALL SCRIPTURE IS BIRTH FROM THE SPIRIT DIMENSION; nevertheless only Scripture applicable to the individual and revealed from the Father God is SPIRIT and LIFE to that individual

Edited October 18, 2009 by Emanuel

[EricH]

That is a good question though, can people go to hell by mistake?

I believe those speaking to Jesus in Matthew 7:21-23 were not trying to deceive Jesus, but actually believed themselves to be saved.

Could these "Lord Lord" people be the ones who know a different Jesus?

2Co 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

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[Fez]

Well hopefully this is over and done with then! Can we move on?

[JCISGD]

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Scripture interperets itself, and the workers of iniquity are those who continue to wilfully sin. They think God is with them because their ministry goes on despite their guilty conscience and cover ups. They assume Gods silence means approval, but they know the scriptures and know they are dishonest.

Remember that Satan still offers the kingdoms of this world to any who will bow down to him, be they rock stars, businessmen, evangelists or church goers who having sought the riches of this world forfieted their salvation and peirced themselves with many sorrows.

Listen, those who seek power before purity will always become undone for power in the hands of the undisciplined is eventuallly deadly. Or do you think Satan our wily foe who has been around a long time can defeated by carnal thinking men? Did not Jesus tell the demoniac who wanted to follow him after Jesus set him free, to " go show yourself to the priest to be made clean"?

The command to wait in (our) jerusalem untill we recieve power fron on high, is for all christians in all generations, and those that run off to seminary or out into the highways and byways before being purified and then baptised with fire, are easy meat for the Devil.

[Massorite]

Matthew 7

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[Guest shiloh357]

That is a good question though, can people go to hell by mistake?

I believe those speaking to Jesus in Matthew 7:21-23 were not trying to deceive Jesus, but actually believed themselves to be saved.

Could these "Lord Lord" people be the ones who know a different Jesus?

2Co 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

Jesus calls them false prophets earlier in the chapter.