Lucy and our faith

[mtmom]

I was asked the question how I reconciled my faith with the discovery of "Lucy" in Africa. First I had to find out what/who "Lucy" was. I now have a book about her discovery and dating of the skeleton (there is also information on the internet). Has anybody tried to answer this? The question came from a believer who is now struggling with faith - if that helps frame the question any better.

[RigMedic]

The first flaw with Lucy is that she is a he. Now if the archeologist who found him couldn't tell the difference he had no right being in his profession. Men's pelvic bone is smaller than a woman's because men don't give birth. After closer inspection of Lucy, other, more educated scientists discovered that it was actually the skeleton of a pigmy chimpanzee, with a human knee bone. When asked where the knee was found the archeologist stated that "it was found 1.6 miles away from the rest of the skeleton." When asked why he put it with the rest of the bones he said "It just seemed to fit."

[Guest man]

I was asked the question how I reconciled my faith with the discovery of "Lucy" in Africa. First I had to find out what/who "Lucy" was. I now have a book about her discovery and dating of the skeleton (there is also information on the internet). Has anybody tried to answer this? The question came from a believer who is now struggling with faith - if that helps frame the question any better.

Evolution is a theory and a theory is nothing more than a guess.

Scientists have fossil remains of tiny creatures that are small enough to fit in the palm of your hand. Every bone accounted for. Animals they say are 100s of millions of years old. Yet they have no full body skeletons of what we were supposed to have evolved from.

They find a bone and don't know what it is, so they construct a man around it.

Don't wrap your head around a theory as if it's fact.

[RigMedic]

I was asked the question how I reconciled my faith with the discovery of "Lucy" in Africa. First I had to find out what/who "Lucy" was. I now have a book about her discovery and dating of the skeleton (there is also information on the internet). Has anybody tried to answer this? The question came from a believer who is now struggling with faith - if that helps frame the question any better.

Evolution is a theory and a theory is nothing more than a guess.

Scientists have fossil remains of tiny creatures that are small enough to fit in the palm of your hand. Every bone accounted for. Animals they say are 100s of millions of years old. Yet they have no full body skeletons of what we were supposed to have evolved from.

They find a bone and don't know what it is, so they construct a man around it.

Don't wrap your head around a theory as if it's fact.

Agreed

[MorningGlory]

I was asked the question how I reconciled my faith with the discovery of "Lucy" in Africa. First I had to find out what/who "Lucy" was. I now have a book about her discovery and dating of the skeleton (there is also information on the internet). Has anybody tried to answer this? The question came from a believer who is now struggling with faith - if that helps frame the question any better.

What does 'Lucy' have to do with Christian faith? The little being was NOT a human nor was he/she our ancestor. If this causes one to struggle with their faith...they have way deeper problems than the discovery of a humanoid skeleton.

[mtmom]

How did you find out these disparent facts about "Lucy"? They aren't published in the original work I have, obviously since they were "discovered" later. Who published them? Why aren't they well known? Where is the report by the more educated scientists that discovered that it was actually the skeleton of a pigmy chimpanzee, with a human knee bone. And where/what/who wrote the report about the knee bone?

Secondly his faith confusion came from that "Lucy" was upright before the age of the Garden of Eden and that her existence added facts to the theory of evolution from ape design to upright. After researching "Lucy" in scientific literature I found that there was no indication of an opposable thumb and no evidence of intelligence, such as use of tools brain cavity size etc. (IE the traits that even evolutionists use to defend evolution) Which is evidence to the categorization of "her/it" as an ape not human. Actually I don't suppose the gender matters to the current discussion other than they got it wrong. However the knee cap 1.6 miles away does damage to the fact that it may have walked upright. So maybe a small 3'6" 65 pound ape type that walked less with the arms but not much beyond that?

The Bible says we need to be ready in season and out to give an answer for the hope that is in us (paraphrased from IPeter3:15). I do not feel the need to judge the strength or level of my friend's faith, I do however feel the need to be ready to give an answer for the hope that is within me. I do not fear science or evolutionary theory because it is wrong and therefore wisdom will prove it wrong either now or when we eventually get enough of God's wisdom to figure it out. I also know that science hides facts that do not support its theories - I am a statistician I have been there. And so I asked the question to prepare a better answer for the hope within me and in the hope that someone in the community of faith had prepared before me and would share.

Thank you to those who did.

[Guest man]

Go to Google or Yahoo and do a search on "lucy hoax".

[Guest]

Go to Google or Yahoo and do a search on "lucy hoax".

Or Go To The Holy Bible And Do A Search.......

Search "LORD"

Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself; Isaiah 44:24

And "Redeem"

Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: Galatians 3:13

And "Blood"

And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth.

Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, Revelation 1:5

And "Hope"

In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began; Titus 1:2

[ayin jade]

Actually I don't suppose the gender matters to the current discussion other than they got it wrong.

It does matter. The difference in a pelvis between male and female is quite profound. If they made such a significant simple error on this, then that ruins their credibility in general.

The man who discovered Lucy works at a university in the Phoenix area. There is a research grade replica of Lucy on display. I looked at it. One thing that struck me was that the skeleton was crushed (flattened) and put back together. I wondered if in reconstructing it, did they change the shape of the bone? There are gaps in the cracks. It is possible a bias entered into their reconstruction.

Lucy is supposedly an evolutionary dead end anyway. So she cant prove or disprove anything about our ancestors as far as the theory of evolution from ape design to upright.

[ayin jade]

I also know that science hides facts that do not support its theories - I am a statistician I have been there.

Oh YES!!! Ive been saying this for awhile now. Those who believe the theory of evolution dont believe me. When I worked as an archaeologist, I saw first hand how dating samples were discarded when they didnt fit what they expected it to be. Scientists do indeed hide facts.