Hitlers' Youth corp reaches America

[MorningGlory]

I would sooner train my children to be revolutionaries than to allow them to go to Obama camps.

Yes, I said it. It's in print. When the Obama youth starts going through internet message boards to find dissidents, they will find my statement.

Probably closer to the truth than you know. An Obama supporter came to my door the saturday before the election. I knew he was an Obama supporter because he was wearing a T-shirt with "Obama" emblazoned across it. I looked at him and said "There is no way I am voting for Obama" before he could even speak. He gave me a glassy stare, squinted at the last name on my mail box and began busily writing something on his clipboard before scurrying back down the steps.

A) I canvassed and phonebanked for Obama. And I am 21. I like to think you'd have enough respect for those of us who put some blood, sweat, and tears into working on election not to characterize us all as mindless idiots. And if somebody talked to me like that (there's gotta be a nicer way to say "no thanks"), I might have given them a glassy stare, too.

B) When you canvas registered voters, you usually have a sheet with names and addresses and then space to write in voting preference or make quick notes that might be of relevance to the campaign. The kid was probably writing down not to bother you again.

It's a shame that people are turning what was actually an incredibly well-organized, enthusiastic ground game into a horde of mindless Obama zombies (Zombamas? Obambies?). Just because they/we disagree with your views doesn't mean we're Hitler Youth, and I'm pretty horrified by the comparison.

But it's not anything new.....George Bush has been compared to Hitler for years. In either case, it's a dumb comparison.

[Guest yod]

It's a shame that people are turning what was actually an incredibly well-organized, enthusiastic ground game into a horde of mindless Obama zombies (Zombamas? Obambies?). Just because they/we disagree with your views doesn't mean we're Hitler Youth, and I'm pretty horrified by the comparison.

The comparison to Hitler Youth is a valid one but one wouldn't know it unless they knew exactly what the Hitler Youth was, why it was formed, and the purpose it served.

It was incredibly well-organized, and full of enthusiastic youth who were zealous for the "hope" and "change" (words used by Hitler) that was being promised.

The national civil security idea that Obama is proposing is the EXACT same concept so I don't understand why it would be considered impolite to discuss the rather scary similarities that OBAMA is proposing.

This "security force" will ultimately encourage neighbors to turn each other in and have us policing each other which will cause us to be too divided to resist (or even pay attention) to what the Obama government is doing. They will have people who blindly trust Obama doing his bidding and serving as a buffer to any accountability on Obama's part.

This is the strategy he has used during the election so why would anyone doubt this will only continue and grow more pervasive?

For the entire campaign, Obama instructed his followers to "get in their face" whenever legitimate questions were asked...instead of just answering the question. Throughout the campaign, any question about his past alliances and parnerships were deflected by ridiculing his oppenents...instead of just answering the questions. Throughout the campaign, anytime Obama was confronted with his past record, it was defleted with charges of racism or some other nonsense....instead of just answering the questions. When asked to prove his own citizenship, he blocked by device of harrassment through lawyers and legal manuvers....instead of just answering the question.

So when this "security force" (whose security, btw?) is formed, they will be indoctrinated in the methods of Saul Alinsky to continue more of the same. People who STILL have legitimate questions that have STILL not been answered will find themselves targeted as enemies of the state and be confronted by the "security force"...and we will be even more divided than we are now.

Those who have legitimate opposition will be labeled as "haters" and then persecuted by those who interpret "hope" and "change" from Obama as a GOOD thing....when every bit of this could have been avoided had Barak Obama simply answered the questions.

As a student of world history, I've seen this once before in the last century. It was 1930s Germany. It has come to America but don't blame me for pointing it out...blame the one who is proposing it.

[Guest yod]

But it's not anything new.....George Bush has been compared to Hitler for years. In either case, it's a dumb comparison.

The comparison of Bush and Hitler by leftists was always based on personal hatred and was never based on anything comparable factually. It was purely hateful rhetoric without explanation or evidence.

With Obama there are several intersections of his policies, concepts, ideas, and vision that are almost a perfect match to the political turmoil of 1930s Germany.

They are, at the very least, comparable. At most they are a roadmap to where we are headed. I happen to believe it is the latter rather than the former based on the unwillingness of Obamites to critically examine their candidate and demand some simple answers of legitimate questions that any other presumptive President would be required to answer.

We're headed for a totalitarian dictatorship if something doesn't change...and soon.

[nebula]

But it's not anything new.....George Bush has been compared to Hitler for years. In either case, it's a dumb comparison.

No one created statues of George Bush.

No one wrote songs of praise to George Bush.

George Bush wasn't portrayed with halos and rainbows radiating from his head.

George Bush wasn't regarded as a "savior."

All four apply to Barak Obama.

It's like everyone is being swept into an "O"-cult.

[MorningGlory]

It's a shame that people are turning what was actually an incredibly well-organized, enthusiastic ground game into a horde of mindless Obama zombies (Zombamas? Obambies?). Just because they/we disagree with your views doesn't mean we're Hitler Youth, and I'm pretty horrified by the comparison.

The comparison to Hitler Youth is a valid one but one wouldn't know it unless they knew exactly what the Hitler Youth was, why it was formed, and the purpose it served.

It was incredibly well-organized, and full of enthusiastic youth who were zealous for the "hope" and "change" (words used by Hitler) that was being promised.

The national civil security idea that Obama is proposing is the EXACT same concept so I don't understand why it would be considered impolite to discuss the rather scary similarities that OBAMA is proposing.

This "security force" will ultimately encourage neighbors to turn each other in and have us policing each other which will cause us to be too divided to resist (or even pay attention) to what the Obama government is doing. They will have people who blindly trust Obama doing his bidding and serving as a buffer to any accountability on Obama's part.

This is the strategy he has used during the election so why would anyone doubt this will only continue and grow more pervasive?

For the entire campaign, Obama instructed his followers to "get in their face" whenever legitimate questions were asked...instead of just answering the question. Throughout the campaign, any question about his past alliances and parnerships were deflected by ridiculing his oppenents...instead of just answering the questions. Throughout the campaign, anytime Obama was confronted with his past record, it was defleted with charges of racism or some other nonsense....instead of just answering the questions. When asked to prove his own citizenship, he blocked by device of harrassment through lawyers and legal manuvers....instead of just answering the question.

So when this "security force" (whose security, btw?) is formed, they will be indoctrinated in the methods of Saul Alinsky to continue more of the same. People who STILL have legitimate questions that have STILL not been answered will find themselves targeted as enemies of the state and be confronted by the "security force"...and we will be even more divided than we are now.

Those who have legitimate opposition will be labeled as "haters" and then persecuted by those who interpret "hope" and "change" from Obama as a GOOD thing....when every bit of this could have been avoided had Barak Obama simply answered the questions.

As a student of world history, I've seen this once before in the last century. It was 1930s Germany. It has come to America but don't blame me for pointing it out...blame the one who is proposing it.

It's not impolite to point out what you believe, yod. But I think this whole thing is being blown WAY out of proportion. Obama may consider such an undertaking but I don't think it will get off the ground. If you remember, Mr. Bush was roundly criticized (and compared to Hitler....again!) after 9/11 when he proposed that all Americans report suspicious activities in their neighborhoods. Americans don't LIKE that kind of thing.

I actually know a man, he's almost eighty now, who was a member of the Hitler Youth. He was born in Austria and, according to him, enthusiasm wasn't a prerequisite; he, like thousands of others, was forced to join. They weren't asked if they'd like to. And, yes, they were required to report even family members who were disloyal. In some cases they were given arms and pressed into combat (although he wasn't). They had kids as young as 12 fighting the invading armies when Berlin fell in 1945. I don't see this happening in the U.S. but....I never say 'never' because the world is changing rapidly and not for the better. The only option, if a dictatorship should take over, would be armed rebellion, as in revolution. I never thought I would say that, ever.

[Xan]

But it's not anything new.....George Bush has been compared to Hitler for years. In either case, it's a dumb comparison.

No one created statues of George Bush.

No one wrote songs of praise to George Bush.

George Bush wasn't portrayed with halos and rainbows radiating from his head.

George Bush wasn't regarded as a "savior."

All four apply to Barak Obama.

It's like everyone is being swept into an "O"-cult.

And George Bush never talked about establishing civil security or appointed a Chief of Staff who wanted to put everyone between the ages of 18-25 into brain-washing camps.

[MorningGlory]

But it's not anything new.....George Bush has been compared to Hitler for years. In either case, it's a dumb comparison.

No one created statues of George Bush.

No one wrote songs of praise to George Bush.

George Bush wasn't portrayed with halos and rainbows radiating from his head.

George Bush wasn't regarded as a "savior."

All four apply to Barak Obama.

It's like everyone is being swept into an "O"-cult.

I'm not aware of Obama asking for all of that...I'd think it would embarrass just about anyone. Could it be that there are crazies out there who will worship a shiny rock if they stand it front of it long enough??

[nebula]

He's not discouraging it.

And that Pantheonic stage setting he had for his acceptance speech....?

Uh-uh!

[Guest yod]

There is no way to prove something that didn't happen but I don't think Bush would have accepted the kind of idolotry we see in regards to Obama.

Obama accepts it and I've yet to see him "embarrassed" by it or doing anything to distance himself from it.

(dont forget the plans for a national holiday commemorating Obama)

[ayin jade]

Obama has stated that Ayers committed acts that were despicable when he was 8 years old. That seems to me to be a repudiation of the acts.

Ayers said in an interview on ABC, after this election, that he didnt go far enough in bombing. Ayers is not at all remorseful. This is not just something in his past.

Ayers defended his bomb-throwing past and repeated a statement that has infuriated his critics: "I don't think we did enough."

Link from ABC