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Ruth 2:3 So she departed and went and gleaned in the field ... And she went, and came and took up the heads of grain in the field after the cutters;

and by chance she went into that part of the field which was the property ...

Luke 10:31 "And by chance a priest was going down on that ... By chance, a priest was traveling along that road. ... "And by chance a priest was going

down on that road, and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side. ...

Acts 1:26 And they drew lots for them, and the lot fell ... And they put it to the decision of chance, and the decision was given for

Matthias, and he was numbered with the eleven Apostles. ...

2 Samuel 20:1 Now a worthless fellow happened to be there whose ... ... Now by chance there was present a good-for-nothing person named Sheba, the son of

Bichri, a Benjamite: and he, sounding the horn, said, We have no part in David ...

2 Timothy 2:25 With gentleness correcting those who are in ... ... Gently guiding those who go against the teaching; if by chance God

may give them a change of heart and true knowledge ...

:)

Sometimes "By Chance" Sounds To Me

More Like A Call To Prayer For Mercy And For Grace

Or An An Act Of Love Or Of Judgement Than A Casino Sort Of Thing :noidea:

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Fresno Joe

Sometimes "By Chance" Sounds To Me

More Like A Call To Prayer For Mercy And For Grace

Or An An Act Of Love Or Of Judgement Than A Casino Sort Of Thing

Yep, agreed Joe.

I also think it means..'it just so happened'.....

'By chance I found a


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Ruth 2:3 So she departed and went and gleaned in the field ... And she went, and came and took up the heads of grain in the field after the cutters;

and by chance she went into that part of the field which was the property ...

Luke 10:31 "And by chance a priest was going down on that ... By chance, a priest was traveling along that road. ... "And by chance a priest was going

down on that road, and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side. ...

Acts 1:26 And they drew lots for them, and the lot fell ... And they put it to the decision of chance, and the decision was given for

Matthias, and he was numbered with the eleven Apostles. ...

2 Samuel 20:1 Now a worthless fellow happened to be there whose ... ... Now by chance there was present a good-for-nothing person named Sheba, the son of

Bichri, a Benjamite: and he, sounding the horn, said, We have no part in David ...

2 Timothy 2:25 With gentleness correcting those who are in ... ... Gently guiding those who go against the teaching; if by chance God

may give them a change of heart and true knowledge ...

Good thing for Ruth that she just happened into that particular field else she would not have had a kinsman reedemer.

the priest that passed by the Samaritan without offering help - it is too bad for him that he happened along the way for it revealed his heart.

And Matthias - he could have been sent along his way without being made an Apostle had the lot fell differently.

sorry - I know the word is designed in this language and I'm not picking on anyone here. ('specially you, Botz! You can be mean! :emot-heartbeat::cool::) ) I think in some instances it is a bit of humor injected in the word. Like when a storyteller is wanting to change the direction of the story, to turn a road, by bringing in a major event that seems insignificant.

I think there are many many times when we can look back in our lives and see that a small happenstance was actually something that - had it not happened - would have brought extremely different results. God can take a small thing and make it a big thing.

My question to myself has always been did God place the happenstance in my path, or did He use what naturally there to bring about a fork in the road? Like the slave traders that passed by while Joseph was in the well. Was that coincidence? He later told his brothers, Gen 50:20 But as for you, ye thought evil against me; [but] God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as [it is] this day, to save much people alive.

Are there plain old chance happenings? Maybe. I'm not sure about that. I don't believe in luck, or in seeking "fortune" as JmWhalen describes, or in the trying to affect good fortune by carrying talismans. those things are abhorent.


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I myself do not believe in coincidences to me things happen for a reason even if the reasoning isn't clear at that time. I don't think its in the Jewish vocabulary to believe in them either. I so agree with this statement. :)

I think there are many many times when we can look back in our lives and see that a small happenstance was actually something that - had it not happened - would have brought extremely different results. God can take a small thing and make it a big thing.

'Calzaghe did not give Jones another opportunity/chance to floor him.'
Yeah Calzahghe is what I say! Sorry couldn't help myself! :whistling::laugh:

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Traveller...

My question to myself has always been did God place the happenstance in my path, or did He use what naturally there to bring about a fork in the road? Like the slave traders that passed by while Joseph was in the well. Was that coincidence? He later told his brothers, Gen 50:20 But as for you, ye thought evil against me; [but] God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as [it is] this day, to save much people alive.

Eccl:1 There is an appointed time for everything. And there is a time for every event under heaven

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Ok, so we have opinions more accepting of the words and some not so...

I'm wondering what the original Hebrew words were and if they actually "change" anything?

In English, the words coincidence and by chance just doesn't seem to fit into the notion of God and how He operates........

BUT since it is in the Bible so many times.....I have to accept it - just trying to get my head around the EXACT meanings when applying them to His Word and my life.....it's difficult...


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Ok, so we have opinions more accepting of the words and some not so...

I'm wondering what the original Hebrew words were and if they actually "change" anything?

In English, the words coincidence and by chance just doesn't seem to fit into the notion of God and how He operates........

BUT since it is in the Bible so many times.....I have to accept it - just trying to get my head around the EXACT meanings when applying them to His Word and my life.....it's difficult...

Concerning Ruth 2:3 And she went, and came, and gleaned in the field after the reapers: and her hap was to light on a part of the field [belonging] unto Boaz, who [was] of the kindred of Elimelech.

miqreh

1) unforeseen meeting or event, accident, happening, chance, fortune

a) accident, chance

b) fortune, fate

My interpretation of this is that this "happenstance" was unforeseen by Ruth. Not that it was a "chance" meeting - for clearly God intended for her to be that at that particular time. However, Ruth didn't know that. Therefore, it was by chance as far as her knowledge of the event. I think that's what is meant by most of the references.

my 2 cents. :whistling:

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Ok, so we have opinions more accepting of the words and some not so...

I'm wondering what the original Hebrew words were and if they actually "change" anything?

In English, the words coincidence and by chance just doesn't seem to fit into the notion of God and how He operates........

BUT since it is in the Bible so many times.....I have to accept it - just trying to get my head around the EXACT meanings when applying them to His Word and my life.....it's difficult...

Concerning Ruth 2:3 And she went, and came, and gleaned in the field after the reapers: and her hap was to light on a part of the field [belonging] unto Boaz, who [was] of the kindred of Elimelech.

miqreh

1) unforeseen meeting or event, accident, happening, chance, fortune

a) accident, chance

b) fortune, fate

My interpretation of this is that this "happenstance" was unforeseen by Ruth. Not that it was a "chance" meeting - for clearly God intended for her to be that at that particular time. However, Ruth didn't know that. Therefore, it was by chance as far as her knowledge of the event. I think that's what is meant by most of the references.

my 2 cents. :laugh:

Thankyou Trav, that makes perfect sense when put like that. :whistling:


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Ruth 2:3 So she departed and went and gleaned in the field ... And she went, and came and took up the heads of grain in the field after the cutters;

and by chance she went into that part of the field which was the property ...

Luke 10:31 "And by chance a priest was going down on that ... By chance, a priest was traveling along that road. ... "And by chance a priest was going

down on that road, and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side. ...

Acts 1:26 And they drew lots for them, and the lot fell ... And they put it to the decision of chance, and the decision was given for

Matthias, and he was numbered with the eleven Apostles. ...

2 Samuel 20:1 Now a worthless fellow happened to be there whose ... ... Now by chance there was present a good-for-nothing person named Sheba, the son of

Bichri, a Benjamite: and he, sounding the horn, said, We have no part in David ...

2 Timothy 2:25 With gentleness correcting those who are in ... ... Gently guiding those who go against the teaching; if by chance God

may give them a change of heart and true knowledge ...

Good thing for Ruth that she just happened into that particular field else she would not have had a kinsman reedemer.

the priest that passed by the Samaritan without offering help - it is too bad for him that he happened along the way for it revealed his heart.

And Matthias - he could have been sent along his way without being made an Apostle had the lot fell differently.

sorry - I know the word is designed in this language and I'm not picking on anyone here. ('specially you, Botz! You can be mean! :):whistling::laugh: ) I think in some instances it is a bit of humor injected in the word. Like when a storyteller is wanting to change the direction of the story, to turn a road, by bringing in a major event that seems insignificant.

I think there are many many times when we can look back in our lives and see that a small happenstance was actually something that - had it not happened - would have brought extremely different results. God can take a small thing and make it a big thing.

My question to myself has always been did God place the happenstance in my path, or did He use what naturally there to bring about a fork in the road? Like the slave traders that passed by while Joseph was in the well. Was that coincidence? He later told his brothers, Gen 50:20 But as for you, ye thought evil against me; [but] God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as [it is] this day, to save much people alive.

Are there plain old chance happenings? Maybe. I'm not sure about that. I don't believe in luck, or in seeking "fortune" as JmWhalen describes, or in the trying to affect good fortune by carrying talismans. those things are abhorent.

You have put out some great points traveller and I agree with you. God doesn't work by chance and if He did His claim to know all things at all times would be a lie. If God knows nwhat He has planned for my life then He also kinew in advance what He had planned for Ruth and the Good Samaritan or the priest and so on

At least that is what I believe


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Ok, so we have opinions more accepting of the words and some not so...

I'm wondering what the original Hebrew words were and if they actually "change" anything?

In English, the words coincidence and by chance just doesn't seem to fit into the notion of God and how He operates........

BUT since it is in the Bible so many times.....I have to accept it - just trying to get my head around the EXACT meanings when applying them to His Word and my life.....it's difficult...

Concerning Ruth 2:3 And she went, and came, and gleaned in the field after the reapers: and her hap was to light on a part of the field [belonging] unto Boaz, who [was] of the kindred of Elimelech.

miqreh

1) unforeseen meeting or event, accident, happening, chance, fortune

a) accident, chance

b) fortune, fate

My interpretation of this is that this "happenstance" was unforeseen by Ruth. Not that it was a "chance" meeting - for clearly God intended for her to be that at that particular time. However, Ruth didn't know that. Therefore, it was by chance as far as her knowledge of the event. I think that's what is meant by most of the references.

my 2 cents. :dance:

Thankyou Trav, that makes perfect sense when put like that. :whistling:

I said something that made sense? :laugh::)

thank you, thank you, thank you :dance:

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