I have a question.

[Guest HIS girl]

If God is LOVE and I was in God's thoughts before creation to be birthed within His earthly creation - does it make sense then that God would deliberately create ME in order to send me to Hell?

Would that be regarded as LOVE?

Just a thought.

[Guest HIS girl]

If that's a view some hold - then I have a hard time marrying God from the Bible with a God with that intent.

[Hunterpoet]

G-d is G-d. Love is something you feel, experience and have because G-d is G-d.

Weather or not you go to hell is totally up to you.

[Guest HIS girl]

G-d is G-d. Love is something you feel, experience and have because G-d is G-d.

Weather or not you go to hell is totally up to you.

So God is not love? I'm not talking feely, touchy love (physical/emotional).....

Do you think that we humans even existing in the first place is an expression of God's love?

[Hunterpoet]

G-d is G-d. Love is something you feel, experience and have because G-d is G-d.

Weather or not you go to hell is totally up to you.

So God is not love? I'm not talking feely, touchy love (physical/emotional).....

Do you think that we humans even existing in the first place is an expression of God's love?

I can not speak for G-d, nor can I tell you why He created the earth and all it contains. I know that He did, because I believe He exists and that He did this.

To tell you the truth, to me, it doesn't matter if He loves me or not. He is G-d, and the fact that He sent His Son to save my soul is enough for me to love Him and appreciate Him and be His servant.

The Creator and Ruler of the known and unknown has graciously given me the Way, the Truth and the Light, a chance, at my own taking, for my soul to have eternal life. How could I possibly require that He love me. The fact that He chooses to even acknowledge my existence is beyond my comprehension.

[Guest HIS girl]

G-d is G-d. Love is something you feel, experience and have because G-d is G-d.

Weather or not you go to hell is totally up to you.

So God is not love? I'm not talking feely, touchy love (physical/emotional).....

Do you think that we humans even existing in the first place is an expression of God's love?

I can not speak for G-d, nor can I tell you why He created the earth and all it contains. I know that He did, because I believe He exists and that He did this.

To tell you the truth, to me, it doesn't matter if He loves me or not. He is G-d, and the fact that He sent His Son to save my soul is enough for me to love Him and appreciate Him and be His servant.

The Creator and Ruler of the known and unknown has graciously given me the Way, the Truth and the Light, a chance, at my own taking, for my soul to have eternal life. How could I possibly require that He love me. The fact that He chooses to even acknowledge my existence is beyond my comprehension.

I believe I am born out of His love.

I cannot exist without His love.

To be in Hell is to be seperate from His love and I do not believe God would willingly create some men simply to cast them into eternal seperation from Him.

That does not make sense because that thinking does not represent God from the Bible.

If some DO hold the view that God intentionally created some men to be seperate from Him for all eternity, then we may as well toss the Bible aside because it neans nothing.

Ludicrous.

[Hunterpoet]

G-d is G-d. Love is something you feel, experience and have because G-d is G-d.

Weather or not you go to hell is totally up to you.

So God is not love? I'm not talking feely, touchy love (physical/emotional).....

Do you think that we humans even existing in the first place is an expression of God's love?

I can not speak for G-d, nor can I tell you why He created the earth and all it contains. I know that He did, because I believe He exists and that He did this.

To tell you the truth, to me, it doesn't matter if He loves me or not. He is G-d, and the fact that He sent His Son to save my soul is enough for me to love Him and appreciate Him and be His servant.

The Creator and Ruler of the known and unknown has graciously given me the Way, the Truth and the Light, a chance, at my own taking, for my soul to have eternal life. How could I possibly require that He love me. The fact that He chooses to even acknowledge my existence is beyond my comprehension.

I believe I am born out of His love.

I cannot exist without His love.

To be in Hell is to be seperate from His love and I do not believe God would willingly create some men simply to cast them into eternal seperation from Him.

That does not make sense because that thinking does not represent God from the Bible.

If some DO hold the view that God intentionally created some men to be seperate from Him for all eternity, then we may as well toss the Bible aside because it neans nothing.

Ludicrous.

To create something with the intention to destroy it has only one purpose. I think there are copious amounts of evidence that this is not the case in reference to wether or not G-d is love or loves us.

If He were to create certain individuals just to have them destroyed...well, that would be like fixing the game, the winning of which would not bring any joy.

I think it very hard for some folks to accept the fact that, although He knows the outcome, He gives us free will, a choice, the latitude to go about His business or ours. It's like they can't handle the responsibility and want to be rid of any quilt or blame. Like to say...hey it's not my fault I'm hell bond...He created me like this. Likewise there are those who feel the need to say ...Hey, I'm chosen, I'm special..He chose me...sorry about you though...They too are not capable of handling responsibility for their soul.

Does G-d love us...of course He does.

[nebula]

To tell you the truth, to me, it doesn't matter if He loves me or not. . . .

How could I possibly require that He love me. . . .

With all due respect Hunter - what you just wrote is completely whacked!

Your very statements paint a picture of God unfit to His nature.

The Scriptures declare point-blank, "God is love."

To theologize HISgirl's question with a statement that is untrue to who God is misses the whole point to theology.

[kross]

HIS Grace and Peace to you,

This question is answerred very well with the quotes Dave put in the posting "Bare permission" is unbiblical". I hope you will search it out and read it.

When I was first called of GOD into HIS service, I also had a hard time with these truths. I fought against these doctrins for years. But I kept reading my Bible and studying. After a while I realized that all of what I had been taught in my youth was simply not in the Bible.

Your question about GOD being love is valid, if that is all GOD is and if we could understand the depths of that love and all of who and what GOD is.

However, JESUS said that "If you love me, my FATHER will love you". This does indicate there are those GOD does not love.

The statement, "Jacob I have loved, Esau I have hated" touches at the very heart of this controversy. The Love is showed to he whom GOD has chosen, the one not chosen is removed from the family, removed from the promises of GOD and he and all his descendants are separated for eternity from GOD.

As the scriptures state, Israel is loved of all the nations and HE has no regard for any other but Israel. (before CHRIST)

So GOD elected Esau to this end even before Esau was born (Romans 9). This did not have to be so. Esau was a legitimate heir to the promise GOD made to Abraham until GOD chose to disown him and cast him off.

I do not write these things that I might persuade. You will believe what you will believe. But, it is your statement of not understanding why others would believe these things that the Bible says, that I am addressing. There are many scriptures that refer to the love of GOD, all of them (save one that is slightly mis-understood) refers to the objects of HIS love as being those who love JESUS, or refer to HIS elect, or HIS chosen or HIS love towards us through JESUS (that "us" always being HIS people when looked at in context).

So, I hope you can see how people can believe these doctrins, even if you can not believe them yourself.

[Hunterpoet]

To tell you the truth, to me, it doesn't matter if He loves me or not. . . .

How could I possibly require that He love me. . . .

With all due respect Hunter - what you just wrote is completely whacked!

Your very statements paint a picture of God unfit to His nature.

The Scriptures declare point-blank, "God is love."

To theologize HISgirl's question with a statement that is untrue to who God is misses the whole point to theology.

Well, as usual, I didn't really make myself clear. It seemed to me that the poster was requiring G-d to be love or love people.

Now then, what does it matter to me if He loves me or just likes me or just whatever....G-d has by His Grace saved me and for that I love, appreciate, respect and serve, to the best of my ability...why is that whacked ?

Now, if G-d has done this for me because He loves me, well OK, so be it, but I don't think He has to love me in order for that to happen. Why, because He is G-d.

Now , the fact that He does love me( i did state this in a follow up response) just makes it all the more special and anyone thinking that He would create something He loves just to destroy it...well now, that is whacked.

John 3:16