My brother died

[Leonard]

My condolensces to both Heresyhunter, and Being Molded.

[heresyhunter]

The God that I've believed in has been an illusion, and the illusion has shattered. The only way I can keep faith in God is to become a universalist. Atheism is the onlly other logical option.

[being molded]

Hi, heresyhunter. With regard to universalism, please don't forget that the univesal law is love, otherwise life is meaningless and pointless. The one who loves grieves the separation from the loved one, and God is love. Atheism on the other hand, offers no meaning at all, and makes no sense, because if there is no design in a human eye, then how can there be in a Boeing, which is less complex?

[being molded]

Thanks to all who sympathised with me about the passing of my father on Friday Jan 23. Much appreciated - but heresy-hunter our brother/sister?, this is still your thread! God bless, Andrew.

[yesult]

My condolences to those who have lost loved ones recently, as mentioned in this thread. But could I just add - that the bible tells us in revelation that all will stand before the judgement seat of God one day - and some will go to the left and others will go to the right. Those who have their names written in the book of life will be with God eternally, and those who don't will be cast into gehenna fire, which is described as the second death. (the word 'death' here being the same word as used to describe 'death' in other parts of the bible.)

If christians go straight to heaven - who is going to be getting eternity with God because their names are written in the book of life?

Just a thought.

Besides that - God is a God of love. Not unfair judgement. Why would he destroy anyone that did not accept him but had a good heart? If you believe that, then you don't really believe in a God of love. Only a God that loves you. (For whatever reason you think that is.) The topic of eternity is huge in the bible. You need to read it all. Not just the bits that make you think you're better (more loved) then other people.

Hell is translated from a few words. Sheol (place of the dead), the grave and ghenna. Ghenna was a literal valley outside jerusalem where rubbish was burned up. Including the bodies of criminals. If you look in revelation again, you will see that for judgement, sheol and death will give up the dead within them to be judged. Why is sheol mentioned seperatly to death? It's also described in Job as having levels.

That means people go to sheol before judgment.

If we reap what we sow - little children and nice people who never 'accepted jesus' for whatever reason, burning forever and ever in hell fire is way overkill. And not the judgement of a God of love.

The whole concept is unbiblical and ridiculous.

I wish more people would check out this topic for themselves instead of just automatically repeating their demoniational viewpoint.

PS. There is also a place called 'the pit' and abbadon. Heaven and hell is not a simple topic.

Edited February 5, 2009 by yesult

[Shiloh62]

I recently lost my near an dear brother. He was unsaved. He will be in hell forever. How can I ever be happy again, even in Heaven, knowing that he is suffering forever? It will put a huge damper on my joy.

My condolences-shiloh62

[riel]

The God that I've believed in has been an illusion, and the illusion has shattered. The only way I can keep faith in God is to become a universalist. Atheism is the onlly other logical option.

Universalism or atheism is NOT the answer. Why throw out a living savior for a dead religion? There's NO other diety you can have a relationship AND a covenant with. A person either serves the devil or the Almighty. The devil is looking for those to suck into his trap by appealing to a person's flesh. DO NOT let demonic lies infiltrate your mind and your heart! He is ABSOLUTELY the father of lies!!!!

Hugs,

Darlene

My condolences to all of you for your losses of people close to you.

Edited February 5, 2009 by riel