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  1. Exactly, Willa. Well stated. When I served in the military, It was the lieutenant's (officer) who were in command, but the sergeants ran the army. Doesn't make sense?? a quote; "God's written word can be made void and ineffective when we trust human wisdom for it's understanding" There is a important reason for the chain of command. Especially God's chain of command. I can listen to a woman sharing her knowledge of God's word all day long and take notes, but I won't submit myself under her authority, from a pulpit. 1Co_11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
  2. Hello notsolostsoul. This is cool. I haven't seen one temper flare, everybody seems enthusiastic to help and disciple. I see your above post, and I remember my frustrations in the past also, like, what did I do wrong this time to deserve what's happening now. Then I read John 15. The True Vine, Jesus. Joh 15:1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman (vine tender/dresser). Joh 15:2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth (prunes) it, that it may bring forth more fruit. I saw that those who DO produce fruit, are pruned. Originally, We were like branches, laying on the ground, not able to do anything. But when we were born again, we were grafted into the true vine. All that good stuff coming through the roots and then through the vine flows out to the branches, and, Ola, FRUIT. Joh 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. However, I (we) are like a wild mustang vine branch at first, a very long branch taking up all the nutrients, with very little left to produce any fruit. The more I abide (in Christ, the True Vine), the more I can NOT do. Say what. Joh 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. The more I am abiding, it's Christ in me, (remember the good stuff, nutrients) and not ME (long big branch), and then fruit. My job is to abide (to stay in a given place). The fruit is the result. Now as far as those things that happen that SEEM to be discipline or chastisement, I have to remember, that there is a vine dresser, (The Father), who s doing the most important job in a vineyard, he takes care of pruning the branches. He cuts off all that unnecessary branch that is taking most of the nutrients, so the branch (me) becomes much smaller, but the clusters of fruit get much bigger. My point, as I understand it, is simply, not every thing that is seemingly going wrong, or things hoped for not received, loosing a friend, or a job, etc, is always a result of some sin. Our Father is constantly pruning us, He's cutting all that unnecessary branch away so there is less branch (me) and more fruit. Our Fathers pruning doesn't always feel very good, but the rewards are worth it. I'm a simple empty branch, and as I'm now attached to the True Vine, out flows the good stuff, and then the fruit. Joh 15:8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.
  3. Hi there Holden92. And welcome. I earn a living working out in my shop, which I temporarily share with my daughter and her business. I got Pandora a few years back, and started setting up my personal stations. Pandora has a bad habit of trying to push artist's songs or albums, some really black, twisted, heavy metal into my stations. I'll run to my Kendal and give it a thumbs down, and get rid of it. I also have almost every type/style of music on one or another of my stations. Some current, some old, some very old. Plenty of Christian music, though mostly older favorite hymns. (No organs!!!) Quiet often, I'll hear a song come on sounding like hard rock and go to get rid of it, only to find out it's a Christian group. I honestly could not distinguish any difference from heavy metal. The beat and tempo caused me to recall old times, you know, the bad old days. I feel a little guilty thumbing down a group who I assume is playing to young Christians, but it awakens that old man in me. There is a fantastic amount of instrumental tunes of really great Christian melodies. But like you, I rarely listen to Christian pop/rock. But. If it draws kids to Christ, I'm all for it!
  4. 2Co 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
  5. Answer your question? I looked for it, and found several. Q; but does anyone else here feel like most Churches operate in a Kindergarten stage / mentality with regard to the faith, Christian living, instruction and education, personal growth??? A; I don't go to most churches, only one. Thirty five plus years. Visited many, but stayed put. It appears that you would rather fellowship with a more advanced group, more inspired, more fervent, more learned, more mature. You appear to be very spiritually knowledgeable. Share your gifts with those less learned. Teach. Help a small body to move up to your level. Fulfill your part in the body. Why not pick one, (or ask God ) and press on. Q; But I am most wondering if this side of ourselves (that which needs the pomp and ritual and robes of religiosity and religious assemblies) does not actually put off potential believers we encounter... A; Appears that pomp and ritual puts you off. (Me too, mostly) But I noticed, that even God required certain pomp and structure (white robe at the marriage feast) Certain days for certain events, and do's and don't s. As far as the church changing the structure and methods to accommodate potential believers, that is not the purpose of the church, the body of fellow shipping BELIEVERS, as (I) see it. We come together for a lot of reasons, to worship, learn, pray, sing and praise, help and minister, etc. As believers, not potential believers. THEN, we go out and preach the good news to whosoever will, and hopefully, the NEW young believers come to our fellowship to learn, to eat the milk/meat of the word. To make/become disciples. Q; The world is watching and our lives are a testimony to Christ. Do they see in us this judgmental, fake, deluded, sanctimonious pack of wolves dressed like sheep? Or do they see us as beggars like themselves who are trying to show them where we've found bread? A; Well, I suppose there's more places for the lost to see us besides the church building. I consider that when reading some of the post's on this forum. Amen? The lost see us a whole lot more often than at church. Reading this, right here, right now. They hear me (murmuring) when I'm impatient at the check out line, behind someone with thirty items in a ten item checkout "speed" lane. They see me driving, not letting them in my lane after they put their blinker on. Interrupting them in a conversation when I'm witnessing to them about the mercy of my Savior. ETC-ETC. Like my church, I'm not perfect. YET. But I try to always tell them, witnessing, I'm probably the worst sinner that they know. Because, as a believer, I KNOW better. "To whom much is given, much is required". But us talking, I believe, in person OR in a church setting, is not as important as then seeing us in action. The real us, without the church clothes on. Q; I think of other religious movements (atheism for example) whose teaching permeates out daily lives... humanism, evolution, liberalism... you can't hear a news report or a documentary or just about anything that debatable science is not skewed in their favor and presumed as factual at that. Since we KNOW the universe is billions and billions of years old... that sort of thing. Don't we do the very same thing in Church? Does anyone else get this / feel this? Anyone A; Not sure exactly your question is on this one. If your asking if the "church," (a very broad term considering the vast amount of religious groups), is using the same worldly methods as the lost world, I cannot answer with an informed reply. If it's any thing like what I see on most evangelical TV programs, not all, then, yes, not much different. A lot of hoop a la and no substance. Entertainment. I go by the churches I'm familiar with, locally, that I've been to. Considering the normal problems with any large group of people with different up bringings and ages and and ideas about how the church should minister`, and the maturity or lack of the flock, it's some times amazing how well it functions. Remember. In most small bible believing churches, were all in a voluntary army, run by voluntary workers, doing the best we can with the assets at hand, using God's plan as we struggle to implement it HIS way. We could do much better if we had all the parts of the body that God had called to participate in this work, but due to certain distractions, (world-flesh-devil), the average church body could be lacking many needed members, who simply will not participate for their own reasons, and that old devil wins another battle. I get it, and I feel it, as do most any member of any church, trying to minister biblicaly. To make disciples. PS Visit a smaller church, that is missionary oriented. Too busy to disciple-ing to entertain. You will probably be needed..........
  6. Running Gator said; "So, what is morally wrong, sinful, or wicked with two co-workers driving in the same car to a meeting or what have you if they happen to be of different genders? What is morally wrong, sinful, or wicked with two co-workers having a working lunch at a public facility if they happen to be of different genders?" Hello Running Gator. When I watched the OTHER thread, I realized you are a serious contender, and stick to your guns. I thought you would eventually admit that there is at least some credibility to the "group" mentality/consensus, as it applied to them. . I know I sometimes find it hard to accept a point stated that I have been discussing against. My pride flares up, or I should say, sneaks up. One of the reasons I joined here was to learn and contribute when I can. If I can. I think I actually can see a glimpse of the point you are trying to make. Treat women equal to men, and don't be biased. I agree. But I don't expect to see one while I'm in the men's restroom. They have their own. Equal. But different! I believe about ninety nine point nine percent of rapes are committed against women, not men. Big time now on college campuses. Now, why is that? Could it be that a man has some kind of flaw, or driven beyond the ability to stop? Is it possible we as men need to exert a little more caution when alone with a woman, especially as a believer. Even two singles. You ask; "What is morally wrong, sinful, or wicked with two co-workers having a working lunch at a public facility if they happen to be of different genders?" I'll tell you. In my trade, as a interior trim and cabinet installer, a carpenter, I'm was frequently in a home, alone, with the house wife. They make 99 % of all decisions concerning their house they occupy most of their time, and rightly so. All the husband cares about is the cost. Often we had to go to a supplier to pick out hardware paint etc. Often we ate lunch together, at the house on the porch or inside. As a young believer, and even later, I DID feel a sense of excitement, concerning the opposite sex. Even around some of my best friends wives. I was ashamed of it, but I found out, talking to more seasoned believers, that it was NORMAL. The attraction was normal for a normal males of the species. But I dealt with it, sinfully. I admit, it was NOT in my own strength or discernment or calling upon God or praying. I had been walking along the edge of a shear cliff, on the edge of destruction, alone with another woman, and it was ONLY the Grace of God I survived, only God's unlimited Grace that all my forty five years of marriage I remained (faithful?). Yes, by the law, but not in my spirit (mind/thoughts) Later, somewhere I acquired a book discussing this very subject, written by a solid married Christian man. All about sex and what goes on in a normal Christian man's mind in any given day. And how to deal with it. Accept that you will have the thoughts, through the "world-flesh-devil". Capture the thought, look it in the face, and cast it out, mentally deciding NOT to miss the mark. Not always easy when the lonesome/ignored woman (maybe unknown to you) is stroking your ego. But the best advice was simply not put yourself on that edge of the cliff, even though you have been successful in the past. For" ME", emphasis mine, it was sin. morally wrong, sinful, or wicked.....I am grateful for some one else, who exposed himself as a normal Christian male, and testified to his possible weakness or testimony, and gave his method to avoid missing the mark. I wonder what, had I saw his testimony when I first got saved......
  7. Running Gator said; So, what all can be seen as an appearance of evil? See above..................
  8. Arphaxad said; "Am I over reacting? Do I go too far?" Not in the least, Arphaxad, not like some, here. Would like your reaction on how this thread has evolved. Jump in.
  9. Hello arphaxad. Don't pay attention to those who would mislead you, even out of pride or ignorance. You got it right. There are some christian s who think they have no problems with temptations, but let them think what they will. Pay no attention to this insane thinking called "political correctness" It's just that, political. (like this thread might be headed) and NOT SCRIPTURAL! You obviously know yourself better than anybody else, so act accordingly, as your heart, led by the spirit. I think it has been reported the average male teenager thinks about sex every fifteen minuets, and tapers off some with age. Most guys I know, though they feel guilty about it, agree it is a major temptation. God created man with two very strong urges, survival and procreation. Weather we admit it or not. You are very wise to protect yourself the way you feel led. Think about this. There was a man, called by God, as a man after HIS own heart. The heart of God. And he made the mistake of just looking at another woman while she was in a venerable position. Not only did he take her as his own, but killed her husband to cover his guilt. King David. (There but the grace of God go I). Today's mentality wants to view women as equal, to men. Actually' I think they deserve more consideration than men. (Yes, I'm I was raised that way. To be considerate to them, to protect them. And back then, they appreciated it. I;m a throwback to a square society, where men treated women as just women. What you are doing is just that, protecting a woman, and yourself. Would we all practice your example..................
  10. Hello Kevin. I haven't studied this subject much over the years due to the scientific and evolutionary communities slant and bias. However, a few years ago, one of my best friends from high school died and later several old classmates and myself had a reunion for our friend. This friend was an atheist, to the very end. I rekindled a friendship with one of our old group, a scientific minded guy into quantum physics. Several phone calls and emails later spiked my interest in all the new scientific discoveries, not only in physics, but the universe and the human body. The intricacies of the human body alone amazed me to no end. This buddy from the past stated with emphatic dialog he was an avowed atheist. Encouraged me to watch some of the videos on you tube he sent, to reinforce his views, and help me to rethink my views as a religious nut. But, the more I watched, the more I saw the magnificent hand of our creator, God. There are so many scientist that were of the big bang group and evolution crowd that have changed their views and assumptions based on newer discoveries. When I began watching the videos my friend sent, on the list on the side of other videos were those of other scientist, many christian, and these I would send back to my friend. He had no response, just kept sending more videos. If you are interested, simply start looking on utube, there are so many of what you are looking for. Just type in scientific proof of God creations. Check out DNA and God's programming, blow your mind.
  11. There's times at night I look to the sky and see the depth and awesomeness, and feel the presence and glory of God. Rom 1:20 "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen". Though not always heard. Listening to my stations on Pandora, some modern christian songs have a heavy beat and the words are hard to discern. However, other instrumental only melody's, on my list, can be very moving or soothing. God created our minds and talents, and our ears. Music created and played as unto the Lord, doesn't always have to have a human voice in it to praise. There's no words, proclaiming God's glory, but just like looking up to the night sky, the heavens, I can often feel the Majesty of our creator. I enjoy it. I also enjoy hearing plenty of music with words, and plenty of old favorite hymns............ Paul Cardall - Sacred Nature
  12. Hi Zion. I joined years back to discuss topics like this, your topic is a breath of fresh air. You ask, "What are some ways that you have learned to defeat the lie in your life?" A.........1Jn_1:5 This then is the message (the word) which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness (LIES) at all. = God is light B.........Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. .=God is the word, + God is light, = the word is light C........Psa_119:11 Thy word (light) have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee. .God=The word = light, = truth = no lies. ..........The more light (word), the less darkness. The more of God's word that is in my heart, hid, the better my "filter" when I take (try to remember to take) every thought captive. If a thought enters in, it is caught, examined with the light more closely. Then, if it is not truth (according to the filter, "the word") it's simply dismissed. This occurs sometimes naturally, and sometimes subconsciously. Most times it's work, for me. Often the recognition of the lie occurs after the mark has been missed, sin. But that is more good data to file away in the memory banks, like (why did I lose that battle? oh yeah, my temper, I forgot. Next time, pause and consider). This is what works for me. Mostly. Fear is a good motivator, also. Of God. My Abba Father. Who chastises his disobedient children. Whom He loves. (Me) And prayer. Or, more like trying to stay or keep a "God awareness" Sometimes it's all mechanical, more like habit. Doesn't matter, the results are the same. Like trying to maintain a dialog with someone beside me. For quiet awhile now I have learned to be thankful. I mean, really thankful. Especially the little things. The older my body get, the more I appreciate what's still working, and am learning to remind God that I am grateful, because, there is so much to be grateful for. And I thank God for the victories HE GIVES ME over the flesh. You said, "Let's share and encourage each other, not concentrating so much on the enemy's attacks but on God's goodness, greatness and protection". Actually, I don't consider the devil as much as I should, but when I mess up, I don't blame him for my mistakes, as, even if he helped to cause it, I was a fool to listen, and not in the light, abiding. I keep a small "God's promise" book handy, to reinforce my memories regularly, and when I get a little down, just ten minuets of that kind of encouragement works great for me ((A good dose of D.O.S.E). The bad toxic thoughts (everything's going wrong again, stuff) actually open up little valves in the brain that releases chemicals that affects your emotions/feelings, making for some lousy feelings and emotions. But then, there's this............................. Php_4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. The KEY.............................. TRUST and OBEY! Thanks for this thread.........
  13. Hi Alix and a BIG WELCOME to Worthy. Your desire is like most here on the forum, To serve Our Lord. After you post a few times, you will be enabled to post your own questions, just not on the welcome thread. I look forward to your fellowship. (From your statement above, you still have that first love) Mat_7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.....................................
  14. Welcome to the fellowship here at Worthy, Christian Soldier. You're in good company. .Php_4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. God Bless you, Brother..........
  15. Can't say I have. However, I just found a readable paperback, ebay, cheap, ordered. You piped my curiosity. I enjoy my privacy. Or did. Living in the country,boonies way back when, I remember having no phone back when, later, a party line. You could tell when "they" were listening in. Now "they" are also watching. Saw the movie trailer. I'll read the book first, then netflix it. I've noticed most young people today have no idea what's going on with data collecting, and how they are being maneuvered, in their decision making. Anybody know what a lemming is? No, I'm not paranoid, just old enough to remember when people respected your privacy. Now its marketed. Thanks for the heads up................................