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"Walking in His authority is actually more than just a right that has been given to us, it's our responsibility." For all those who are called and chosen by Yahweh, certainly, and as He trains, as He teaches, and chastises, and upbuilds His ekklesia , yet still so much required (before someone is granted by Yahweh the right or responsibility of Yeshua's authority to heal others and to cast out demons and to train in all righteousness : As this (little example here, much more throughout Scripture) was required to teach the Apostles / disciples when Jesus was with them, so much more today ..... A few lessons/ excerpts from Luke: "Luke has lined up for us a whole series of failures of Jesus' disciples, and one rebuke after another. Dear friends, as hard as it may be to receive a rebuke, let's listen to the Holy Spirit's message through Luke's Gospel and learn from it. Here's the progression over the next several verses: Rebuking Unbelief (9:37-41a) Rebuking the Unclean Spirit (9:41b-43) The Disciples' Inability to Understand Jesus' Coming Betrayal (9:44-45) Rebuking Pride in the Disciples (9:46-48) Rebuking Intolerance in the Disciples (9:49-50) Rebuking Racial Bigotry in the Disciples (9:51-56)"

Yes, almost everyone "in" a church is comfortable and has accepted what their own group says, even though laden with many many errors, long long time. This is "acceptable" to men, even though Yahweh never said it is okay. Not much if anything can be done about this though - people don't visit here to find out the Truth (nor should they, as there is no guarantee for truth here) ...... they just want more comfort, or they are bored, and they don't want to be corrected, they want to be accepted by first the group they are in, then second or next, also, they want someone else (other people) to think and to believe that they are saved, regardless of if it is indeed true or not. .... Not only is [absolute] truth needed, trusting and relying on Yahweh , Who Himself must reveal the truth to each one, is required. (as His Word Confirms always) .

First, always first, God's Word, as Jesus says anyone who rejects His Apostles (in Scripture) OR who rejects His Word (Scripture), rejects Him (Jesus). Then, subject to Jesus, subject to Scripture, >> https://www.worthychristianforums.com/terms You may not post any material that is disrespectful of God, Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit, or the Bible. This includes user names or anything in your profile, or sig. (Ex. 20:7) So if anyone 'claims' John or Paul or any other Apostle is wrong, they are not just in error, they are opposed to Jesus, and here on this site, they are opposed to the TOS.

As others have and will in the future pointed out, this attempt to support a false doctrine with false premises, and at the same time worse - denying Jesus Word, and at the same time going against the TOS on this site, won't work. Instead of trying to defend something contrary to God, opposed to His Word, seek from Him the Truth. You might find it in the worthychristianlibrary.com btw, which searching will also correct many other potential errors that you might have been tricked by.

This is a perfect example of a false dichotomy.

Others have survived as much and more, the testimonies of survivors of the holocaust, and chinese persecutions lasting 10 or 20 years, and others in the last century and for thousands of years past through to the present, besides also many who died after enduring for some time severe tortures at the hands of the church, (Foxes Book of Martyrs) . When and where unchristians survived brutalities might also be available, not as testimonies of Jesus, but for much different reasons. The human body, mind and soul can survive beyond the wildest expectations of most people unfamiliar with past and current warfare and man's devious machinations (devilish ways of causing pain and suffering in individuals and groups and cities and nations) throughout history....

the whole book .... Jesus never bore nor approved of nor authorized 'st****ta'... that is wholly a foreign, pagan word/ device / "strange fire"/ deception of demons.

All throughout the world, all throughout history, even the religious people, what people believe is most often wrong. There is a standard, God's Standard, His Word, Revealed by Him.... http://www.worthychristianlibrary.com/aw-tozer/knowledge-of-the-holy/chapter-23-the-open-secret/ Worthy Christian Library » A.W. Tozer » Knowledge Of The Holy » Chapter 23 – The Open Secret Chapter 23 – The Open Secret "To know God is at once the easiest and the most difficult thing in the world. It is easy because the knowledge is not won by hard mental toil, but is something freely given. As sunlight falls free on the open field, so the knowledge of the holy God is a free gift to men who are open to receive it. But this knowledge is difficult because there are conditions to be met and the obstinate nature of fallen man does not take kindly to them. Let me present a brief summary of these conditions as taught by the Bible and repeated through the centuries by the holiest, sweetest saints the world has ever known: First, we must forsake our sins. .... " Most people never take the first step.

Not just consider their needs, but in ekklesia (in the assembly, et al, consider others MORE IMPORTANT than yourself - i.e. meet their needs BEFORE your own sometimes/many times/ all the time ? (check the Scripture) ... "laying down our lives for one another" (in ekklesia, the born again, called out, set apart(holy) assembly of believers on earth) .... Since most born again ekklesia are poor (yet rich in faith, complete, with peace, joy and righteousness EVERY DAY) , there is always opportunity for those with means to help someone else....

Where is it written humans need to repent ? Who told you that ? Most humans never do repent - so ? (they die, they are never saved, they are resurrected in shame and judgment, final eternal judgment)

Re the system, any miracles there/ are Only deceptive ones - to promote what is wrong, to convince people that what is wrong is okay .....

Mostly (the posts and threads) are just about non-essential matters/ leaves on the trees, both false ones and true ones, but getting to salvation is basically frowned on/ not permitted, so no one "feels" offended - so their "salvation" is never verified ..... when what someone says is only (and usually) "the surface", what is out in the open, concealing hidden life or death, truth or false doctrines, those things are and can be discussed ad nauseum with no change in anyone, with no benefit. If deeper investigation was permitted, people might be helped, and saved from deception, but a lot fewer visitors would stick around then, (being made subject to God's Word, tested by God's Word), and higher numbers is what most all the forums are after and the politically correct rules are usually set up to promote this (numbers)....

In tradition, of course, that counters Yahweh's Word on many many points....... for those who trust tradition, Yahweh says let their tradition save them on the day of Judgment (if they won't trust in Jesus ) ....

Almost certainly ...... but that's not for this thread....

This was pointed out by many people over the years, starting several years ago. The way the forums (most of them, not just this one) are set up, the false doctrines and teachings won't be stopped or banned unless they break the rules - so they just keep growing and growing in size and in number and in 'age'(some are quite old)......

ahhhh...... remember Bob , remember God's Word, 2011, 11 ? old good reminder from year gone by......

Look in the New Testament to see when Yahweh heals people . Also, look what happens to the people who Yahweh uses to bring about healing. (they get executed, persecuted, not treated well, cursed, treated like the trash of society ) All through the centuries, including the last century, not much has changed - only a lot more fakes obviously, every day.

What about Galatians 6:17 ? If someone is beaten with a whip, stoned, burned, etc, for the Gospel's Sake in Jesus, they also bear in their bodies the marks/ scars for the Gospel, for the Master Jesus in their body. S****ata is never attributed to Paul, , nor to anyone else in true believers in Christianity anywhere since Jesus ascended into heaven.

Why call it a theory ? When car manufacturers do things to make more money, is that called a theory ? When politicians "spin" the news, is that called a theory ? When the devil, who according to REVELATION (GOD'S WORD) and EPHESIANS (GOD'S WORD) directs the world society and corporations and politics to do what it does, as God Says the devil does do, is that called a theory or even a conspiracy ?

Or, someone portrayed the manufacturers as if they tell the truth ? From (NaturalNews) "Every year, physicians recommend that people get flu shots to bolster their immune system and prevent getting the flu. The ideology behind flu vaccines is that humans are unable to adapt to their environment and must depend on modern technology to survive the seasons. Flu vaccines have been shown to be highly ineffective and toxic for human and animal use. Vaccines are one of medicine's prized attempt to improve human performance. They use artificial laboratory derived medical technology to produce an immune response within the body in hopes it will lead to a long-term positive anti-body response. The American Medical Association is especially vigilant about requiring those they deem as immune compromised to get the flu shot. This includes infants and children, pregnant women and seniors. The vaccine ideology is based on the belief that people are created with inferior immune systems that are unable to keep up with the demands of the environment and need modern technology in the form of man-made vaccine formulations in order to bolster immunity."

Hover cursor or click on worthy network (upper left ) drop down menu >> click on worthy christian library, (or click a title below >> ) See the available true proven tested "books" there: Andrew Murray Abide in Christ Absolute Surrender Be Perfect Daily Fellowship with God (and many more). Read them, test them yourself, AND test yourself, by SCRIPTURE as revealed , to be sure.....

https://www.google.com/search?q=corrie+ten+boom+cast+demons+out+congregation+&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 (good testimony, in line with Scripture, and true life, true testimony of well known saint/beleiver with power over the enemy.)

yes. < shrugs > possess, oppress, control, same results outwardly - only different if sons of disobedience vs believer oppressed .... Even if they only thinking of watching one, actually. Any fear, any doubting, anthing by the will granting authority, granting permission, willingly or not ..... knowingly or not (usually not known, usually not understood) ....

A lot of people, multitudes of multitudes, think erroneously that in their design a "holy spirit" is like a third god separate and different from Yahweh and from Yeshua, instead of Echad as Yahweh in His Word Says from Revelation to Genesis and back again ! (p.s. no, not the 'oneness' cult, nor any of the other that disengage from all others because of or while claiming 'one god' who is not Yahweh and not Yeshua and not in Scripture.... ) Since they don't recognize and are never taught that "holy" is always an adjective, never a name, never a title, they don't even have the benefit of Scripture to read Scripture as it is meant to be read, let alone understood, unless they receive outside help/ revelation.

footnote: for consideration seeking truth: 2 Thessalonians 2:6-8 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB) 6 And now you know what is restraining, so that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For already this separating from Torah is at work secretly, but it will be secretly only until he who is restraining is out of the way. Then the one who embodies separation from Torah will be revealed, the one whom the Lord Yeshua will slay with the breath of his mouth[a] and destroy by the glory of his coming.