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YHWH blessed me specifically* before I was saved to see in SCRIPTURE the evil of man triumphs in the physical world, they all go on partying and shopping and giving in marriage (every day after another, nothing changing toward good, no one looking to YHWH (GOD) ) ..... and to read the end of the book (REVELATION) all the way through along with the rest of all SCRIPTURE (OT AND NT)... and see the astonishing wickednesses of society everywhere, growing worse in our lifetimes, not better, with the wicked being rewarded and the righteous being punished (just as JESUS was, and HE IS PERFECT ! without sin) .... YHWH'S SALVATION becomes so much more full and rich and amazing when we see from HIS WORD what HE saves us out of ! All PRAISE and HONOR and GLORY to HIS NAME! HALLELUYAH ! *"specifically" here meaning in this specific way , actually before and after being saved. The blessings (righteousness, peace and joy, freedom from so much, blamelessness and overcoming) from just being HIS are of course much greater and not specifically from YHWH to one or another believer but over all to all believers.

Yes, so true, yet so rare ! Searching key word "TORAH" in biblegateway or other BIBLE search engine, CJB or other translation that translates TORAH into english were it is appropriate/right is very rewarding , being able to see what YHWH and Y'SHUA say themselves about TORAH. All of the translations are good to see a fuller meaning from YHWH'S WORD, not contradicting nor opposing HIS OWN WORD in any place >> excerpts from cjb at biblegateway dot com >> Romans 3:31 KJ21 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid! Yea, we establish the law. ASV Do we then make the law of none effect through faith? God forbid: nay, we establish the law. AMP Do we then nullify the Law by this faith [making the Law of no effect, overthrowing it]? Certainly not! On the contrary, we confirm and establish and uphold the Law [since it convicts us all of sin, pointing to the need for salvation]. AMPC Do we then by [this] faith make the Law of no effect, overthrow it or make it a dead letter? Certainly not! On the contrary, we confirm and establish and uphold the Law. BRG Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. CSB Do we then nullify the law through faith? Absolutely not! On the contrary, we uphold the law. CEB Do we then cancel the Law through this faith? Absolutely not! Instead, we confirm the Law. CJB Does it follow that we abolish Torah by this trusting? Heaven forbid! On the contrary, we confirm Torah.

The word alone, as you put it, may not be enough to have fullness of joy, peace and righteousness along with salvation in CHRIST JESUS. Trying to do things my own way, our own way, man's way, will not result in YHWH'S BLESSINGS or gifts - perhaps even in more trials and chastisements and troubles wearing us down and without walking in the strength of joy from abiding in JESUS. Whenever I got into bad company, and went along with them, I lost the peace and the joy and the strength YHWH gives, until I repented and YHWH restored me in HIS GRACE in JESUS. I praise YHWH with a heart full of thanksgiving for HIS graciousness, HIS preciousness shed for us, and HIS forgiveness in JESUS THE MESSIAH SAVIOR KING. JESUS' message was always, it seems, "turn to YHWH" , for HIS WAY (not man's ) .... The way of men seems right, but the end thereof is the way of destruction....

There is one or more reference by YHWH to unclean children (any age? perhaps) ...... in HIS WORD. There is likewise some support that babies go to heaven, and that they don't, in HIS WORD. A lot of people seem to think it is already known or determined one way or the other.(but not by HIS WORD).

YHWH created all things simple (and true). Man came up (comes up) with many devices (leading astray, instead of truth, etc) . .... YHWH promises, HIS WORD, unchanged and unchanging, whoever seeks HIM, HIS KINGDOM, and keeps seeking, will find HIM, and the TRUTH will set them free. (not man's ideas, but YHWH'S TRUTH)

In decades of serving YHWH (GOD) by and thru faith in JESUS, I never met anyone who thought JESUS had nor needed a head covering. IF it was proper in synague or temple, at the time, HE would have worn one, but I haven't heard or read one way or another about this. From sources long forgotten a couple decades ago, the uniqueness of ecclesia - the called out ones chosen by YHWH and set apart by YHWH - was that the men did not wear a head covering and the women did - which was not the practice of other groups at the time, neither Jews nor greek (gentile), but only the believers following Y'SHUA by faith.

YHWH used LUTHER to bring LIGHT into the darkness the whole world had been plunged into. So few if any others were preaching the truth of salvation by faith, it was a whole new paradigm for European peoples - no one had yet challenged the anti-semitism of the religious authorities, and there was basically, apparently, no one at the time to show LUTHER the best and perfect way. However, he delivered the GOSPEL MESSAGE of SALVATION BY FAITH IN JESUS that had not been taught for centuries, and set people free from the religious oppression they all had been swallowed up in. No, Luther was not except from YHWH'S WORD. Yet he was one of the main one's , one of the only ones, delivering the truth of YHWH'S SALVATION to the people at the time. YHWH continued step by step then also to use others (who also as men made many mistakes) after Luther for hundreds of years to increasingly bring back the truth of YHWH'S WORD that had been lost for centuries..... excerpts from wiki articles online: Martin Luther at first made overtures towards the Jews, believing that the "evils" of Catholicism had prevented their conversion to Christianity. When his call to convert to his version of Christianity was unsuccessful, he became hostile to them. ... ... .... Luther's harsh comments about the Jews are seen by many as a continuation of medieval Christian antisemitism. In his final sermon shortly before his death, however, Luther preached: "We want to treat them with Christian love and to pray for them, so that they might become converted and would receive the Lord."[33]

Pray and continue trusting God and reading HIS WORD. Don't even think of remarrying until if ever your husband passes away (and no, do not be the cause of that). I've met in person over the decades many women and pastors even who approved of re-marriage , and not one of them could tell right from wrong. Only if they repented of that approval and corrected it were they restored in God's Grace.

Yes indeed. A few minutes ago before I got my cup of coffee and logged in, < grin > , I was thinking "NO ONE REMEMBERS" when the entire nation had NO ILLNESS, when NO ONE (not one) WAS SICK, so poorly is YHWH'S WORD KNOWN...... so little is YHWH followed.... .... but so many can rattle off 20 to 60 names of sports figures this year, statistics for 50 years, and names of 30 actresses and actors who had contracts(previously unpublished) with the enemy (very shocking surprise from the televised news after that one 'comedians' suicide) .... ... (all just for examples..... there's also "insider info", stock quotes and such, marketing practices, professional and casual, card sets for this or that (indescribable), that people even children go nuts over.....

In the last few months I think I saw a few groups called "catholics helping catholics" who were doing this. I don't know if they're still around or active. Is there still a strong "Reformation" [movement?] anywhere ?

It is likely to be bloody - even millions dying directly as a result of the massive worldly worldwide efforts of the powers in play...... but the great deception is possibly going to be like a white washed grave - looks peaceful and serene..... covering up the coruption underneath so it is not seen.

LIkewise as a child, (memories of all through high school and later education also) I didn't know of any political problems(corruption), medical heresy(corruption), religious factions, untrustworthy pastors or police , corporate fraud (total), welfare fraud (overwhelming), religious deception (much more than truth), and so on and so on...... i.e. all society's wickednesses and evils all around us.... Are these some of or specifically the "afflictions" that did surround us you are referring to here in the OP ?

Perhaps, but your opinion is assuming that what I posted is somehow not in line with all SCRIPTURE. If you'll be more specific on a topic to discuss in another thread, I'll start one, (or pm?) .....

I'm not sure about the logic of it, but yes, as SCRIPTURE says, many who were once deceived by just one demon, later are deceived by seven all worse than before. Many people once involved with the occult experience this, yet never know it, (it seems the very nature of being deceived means they can't know it nor realize it, unless YHWH steps in), i.e. they are tricked by some other avenue into thinking they've been freed or found something better.... but the deception is just more powerful than before....

Actually, if someone is not born again before they die, they won't ever see heaven, irregardless of their faith or lack of faith or pretend faith.

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Look around here. Everyone has been deceived. Almost everyone deceives everyone around them (they don't even need the devil to do it). On earth most all are sons of disobedience, worshiping demons, and they REFUSE TO REPENT (according to YHWH'S WORD) . Also, who else besides adam and havah EVER lived sinless lives ? Also, who else besides adam and havah EVER were perfect ? Also, who else besides adam and havah is EVERYONE descended from ? Also, who else EVER , even ONCE, walks with YHWH and speaks openly and freely with HIM ? Also, who else today(in comparison) is completely(Perfectly healthy.) FREE FROM POLLUTION(food, air, water, biological, and worst of all bigpharma) ? YHWH CREATED adam and havah, EXACTLY as HE wanted to. No imperfections. No sin. No faults. Nothing out of No disease. No ailments. No mental aberrations. No psychic aberrations. etc etc etc...... Another contrast vs today - most people today have heard that JESUS DIED FOR THEM. Required for SALVATION because of their own (each one today) sin. AND THEY STILL WILLFULLY CONTINUE IN SIN. (don't repent) - as written: "disobedient, selfish, cruel, liars, disrespectful, mockers, ..... " (TIMOTHY, et al ) .... So, many of the others of faith in SCRIPTURE would be (and are) wonderful 'favorites' not just compared to people today, but even just on their own as called ones born and chosen and set apart by YHWH for HIS OWN PURPOSE and PLAN. But not one of the others named so far were ever perfect without any flaw.(as far as we know).

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Be practical. And clear from SCRIPTURE. "Who" does the devil use every day ? Thinking close to people's real lives today. Who robs the poor of their homes ? (every day) (as has been also, throughout history with few if any exceptions) Almost anywhere people who read this have seen this, but might not ever have realized YHWH'S WORD so clearly says so, and YHWH'S WORD is quite contrary to most men's thoughts and most men won't admit it even. Instead, most men(of the world/ society) DEFEND the thieves. Most countries and most laws DEFEND he robbers (the very ones who YHWH'S WORD says takes homes away from the poor). (Causing much harm to families everywhere, with no conscience about it - excuses instead.... yes , sin is excused and defended by most....) Yes, and people who serve him move up in the world, in the hierarchies, in governments, in hollywood, etc etc etc ,,, etc... yes, even religious circles ....

Yes, there are many aspects " (not even getting here yet to YHWH'S chastisement of the righteous, ..... " the internal struggles, conscience, faith, mental strivings and spiritual, battleground of the mind, our battle not with flesh and blood but with "spiritual forces in high places" all quite comprehensively covered BY YHWH in HIS WORD They all "wear out the saints" and can be exhausting (long-suffering) and long as YHWH knows best. Reading this PSALM of KING DAVID and his trouble with Abimilech: A Psalm of David, when he feigned madness before Abimelech, so that he drove him out, and he went away. I will bless the Lord at all times; his praise shall continually be in my mouth. My soul makes its boast in the Lord; let the afflicted hear and be glad. O magnify the Lord with me, and let us exalt his name together! I sought the Lord, and he answered me, and delivered me from all my fears. Look to him, and be radiant; so your[a] faces shall never be ashamed. This poor man cried, and the Lord heard him, and saved him out of all his troubles. The angel of the Lord encamps around those who fear him, and delivers them. O taste and see that the Lord is good! Happy is the man who takes refuge in him! -------------------------------------- Then, while pondering whether internal, external, or both, suddenly seeing fresh, seeing anew, >>>> (CLEAR PROPHECY OF Y'SHUA MESSIAH) >> Many are the afflictions of the righteous; but the Lord delivers him out of them all. He keeps all his bones; not one of them is broken. (remember all HIS LIFE, not one of Y'SHUA'S bones was broken, while the other crucified prisoners had their legs broken.... Y'SHUA was PIERCED FOR OUT INIQUITIES!!! ) Then , likewise, the followers of Y'SHUA were beaten, arrested, imprisoned, beheaded, crucified, humiliated, as was the MASTER Y'SHUA..... all thru the centuries until Y'SHUA RETURNS.... "... many are the afflictions of the righteous" a couple translation say "evils" (perpetrated on the righteous).... but YHWH delivers him out of them all. >>> 17 The righteous cry, and YAHWEH hears; and He saves them out of all their distresses. 18 YAHWEH is near to the broken of heart; and He saves the crushed of spirit. 19 Many are the evils of the righteous, but YAHWEH delivers him out of them all, 20 keeping all His bones; not one of them is broken. (Joh 19:36, Ex 12:46) Y'SHUA had no evil in HIM all HIS LIFE, so the deliverence was from the evils perpetrated by men against HIM as likewise today, for anyone who chooses to follow HIM today, they are persecuted for HIS SAKE.

Yes ..... here on earth ! Multitudes who are not righteous ALSO suffer on earth, but so much more after resurrected... Ironically almost, JESUS says that anyone who chooses to live RIGHTEOUSLY , doing what is right, following HIM, will NECESSARILY suffer persecution. (as if it is not NECESSARY for the wicked to suffer persecution in this life on earth, but it is for the righteous). This is in line with all of YHWH'S WORD, including the contrast "the world loves its own" (why the wicked are not necessarily troubled, but seem to actually fair better and prosper more than the righteous many times)..... It is also a stern warning from JESUS, that "WOE to those who are comfortable (now on earth), for they will suffer later" (perhaps permanently)..... Society persecutes everyone who seeks to live right, who chooses to follow JESUS, to obey YHWH.... thus "many " are the afflictions of the righteous..... (not even getting here yet to YHWH'S chastisement of the righteous, .....)

I think some people (multitudes, in fact) don't know any sabbath keepers. They may turn to YHWH seeking HIM, like Nora Lam from China in the midst of pagan religion and oppressive government, and it may take decades before they get so far as to honor YHWH'S set apart day, if ever. 'Tis only YHWH WHO knows what to do for them, and when, and be able to accomplish salvation for them. In the meantime, all day, they continue to seek YHWH and follow Y'SHUA, no matter circumstances, even death.

YHWH said "work six days, and on the seventh day rest". Pre-church, post-church, and no-church people who obey YHWH do that. See how simple YHWH created all things ? (and man came up with many devices) Whether anyone else wants to make an issue of it, and add to or take away from YHWH'S WORD, that's up to them. Boiling water is nothing ! 'listen' to what they heard on/from a microphone one day (source unknown) >> "As a communist I don’t believe in heaven or the Bible but as a scientist I now believe in hell," said Dr. Azzacove. "Needless to say we were shocked to make such a discovery. But we know what we saw and we know what we heard. And we are absolutely convinced that we drilled through the gates of hell!" Dr. Azzacove continued, ". . .the drill suddenly began to rotate wildly, indicating that we had reached a large empty pocket or cavern. Temperature sensors showed a dramatic increase in heat to 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit." "We lowered a microphone, designed to detect the sounds of plate movements down the shaft. But instead of plate movements we heard a human voice screaming in pain! At first we thought the sound was coming from our own equipment." "But when we made adjustments our worst suspicions were confirmed. The screams weren’t those of a single human, they were the screams of millions of humans!"

Perhaps it's just semantics here. The devil and demons have no good gifts at all to give, and when they heal someone or raise them from the dead it is 'devilish', not good - if it appears good, it is worse than if it appears horrible, since people are so easily deceived by what "appears" good . Their methods are insidious, too, having all society under their control to use (except for the elect). Their(evil ones) methods are exalted and considered wonderful by men, but considered (censored) by YHWH. And yes it is a good point to recognize they use "healing" (even though fake) as a draw into the door of the occult(especially getting people to serve(worship)(honor) demons all the while the people are just doing what most everyone else (in and out of church) is doing; the deception by society is so thorough).. And as to "deceive so many people with out some results", guess what - this is most astonishing for some- the results are fraudulant (fake), but published as if true. Yes, all society is deceived AND promotes the deception. Yes, the anti-christ has been faking being good ever since SCRIPTURE NEW TESTAMENT was written ! Remember people alive on earth before CHRIST JESUS was born a man, were all deceived except the called out ones. After CHRIST JESUS was born a man, and resurrected and ascended, people alive on earth are still all deceived except the called out ones. The wickedness and deception is beyond anyones imagination, but is clearly described in YHWH'S WORD and in such great darkness as we all live surrounded by, even us (the ecclesia) tiny little lights shine bright in the darkness as set apart ones born of YHWH !

It is far from a simple yes and no question I think. Even those who observed YHWH'S sabbath in SCRIPTURE were not all saved - some were those who activeliy sought to crucify MESSIAH Y'SHUA- YHWH'S SALVATION. Those who observe YHWH'S sabbath do well if they are following Y'SHUA, same as in SCRIPTURE.