Is Genesis the story of the earth's creation?

[Guest shiloh357]

I believe that you are correct. "The earth was void and darkness was on the face of the deep" tells us that the earth was already in place before God decided to change what He had already created. In Genesis 1:2 the bible says "and the Spirit Of God moved upon the face of the waters" the word "moved" is interpreted from the word spelled "brood" or "brewed". If the spilling is "brood" the word would mean 'to loom or hang heavily and ominously" or "to be preoccupied with an unwelcome or troublesome thought". If the word is spilled "brewed" it means "to concoct something ominous or threatening" or "to form or develop ominously".

I speak and read Hebrew. The word simply means to hover or tremble. There is no personal or moral value attached to to the word. The same with the Hebrew "Khosekh" for darkness. It simply refers to opposite of light or illumination. Trying make the word appear sinister or apply values to it that are not intended by the author is a poor way of handling Scripture.

The words " was upon the face of the deep" tells us that satan who represents darkness was already on (or fallen from heaven onto the earth) the face of the deep which were the waters God moved or brooded upon.

Again, this is a value that YOU are imposing on the text because you are filtering the text through what you want to believe instead of letting the text speak for itself. The Bible does not mention a prior earth or recreation of earth and does not give us a time frame for when Lucifer's eviction from Heaven took place.

And it would be threatening to satan because the creation of man to replace satan would signaled the end of satan.

Where does the Bible say that man was created to replace Satan??? The Bible makes no such assertion. Mankind is a special creation and we are the first and only of our kind. We were created to fellowship with God, to receive His love and return it to Him in kind. Mankind was not "Plan B" to replace Satan.

[exrockstar]

they just found a 47 million year old fossil named Ida.

do people still believe that Noah was mounted on a brontosaurus when he entered the ark?

let the explanations/excuses begin....

"you see what happened was....."

"what ther devil does is...."

"carbon has errors; im not an expert but what i thinks is...."

[MorningGlory]

they just found a 47 million year old fossil named Ida.

do people still believe that Noah was mounted on a brontosaurus when he entered the ark?

let the explanations/excuses begin....

"you see what happened was....."

"what ther devil does is...."

"carbon has errors; im not an expert but what i thinks is...."

I'm not sure who you think believes Noah was mounted on a brontosaurus but I AM sure they will speak up if they're here......

[Believer1997]

they just found a 47 million year old fossil named Ida.

do people still believe that Noah was mounted on a brontosaurus when he entered the ark?

let the explanations/excuses begin....

"you see what happened was....."

"what ther devil does is...."

"carbon has errors; im not an expert but what i thinks is...."

I'm not sure who you think believes Noah was mounted on a brontosaurus but I AM sure they will speak up if they're here......

A bronto-what???? Good grief....

[nebula]

do people still believe that Noah was mounted on a brontosaurus when he entered the ark?

The brontosaurus was a fabricated animal. It was the body (or partial body) of one dinosaur and the head of another, not even within the same area.

[Guest shiloh357]

they just found a 47 million year old fossil named Ida.

do people still believe that Noah was mounted on a brontosaurus when he entered the ark?

let the explanations/excuses begin....

"you see what happened was....."

"what ther devil does is...."

"carbon has errors; im not an expert but what i thinks is...."

Yeah and the fossil is already being rejected as well.

Besides, what if there were dinosaurs on the ark? I don't know if there were and it really makes no difference one or the other to my way of thinking, but what if there were? Would that shake your faith?

[Guest Johnny_Blaze]

I speak and read Hebrew. The word simply means to hover or tremble. There is no personal or moral value attached to to the word. The same with the Hebrew "Khosekh" for darkness. It simply refers to opposite of light or illumination. Trying make the word appear sinister or apply values to it that are not intended by the author is a poor way of handling Scripture.

The words " was upon the face of the deep" tells us that satan who represents darkness was already on (or fallen from heaven onto the earth) the face of the deep which were the waters God moved or brooded upon.

Again, this is a value that YOU are imposing on the text because you are filtering the text through what you want to believe instead of letting the text speak for itself. The Bible does not mention a prior earth or recreation of earth and does not give us a time frame for when Lucifer's eviction from Heaven took place.

Hi Shilo,

I wouldn't be too quick about there not being a "possibility" that there were inhabitants of the earth prior to God creating man and I will provide scripture that irrefutably proves that the opportunity did exist. Firstly we know that Angels were created before mankind. When we examine the Abodes of Satan, we find that Satan dwelt in Eden the Garden of God then in Eden the Garden of Man. They are two separate places.

Isaiah 51:3

For Jehovah hath comforted Zion; he hath comforted all her waste places, and hath made her wilderness like Eden, and her desert like the garden of Jehovah; joy and gladness shall be found therein, thanksgiving, and the voice of melody.

Isaiah 51:3 makes a distinction between Eden and the garden of Jehovah. We know from Ezekiel 28:14 that Satan's first abode was the Holy Mountain of God:

14 Thou wast the anointed cherub that covereth: and I set thee, so that thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

We know from Job 38:4-7 that Angelic beings were created before mankind:

4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare, if thou hast understanding.

5 Who determined the measures thereof, if thou knowest? Or who stretched the line upon it?

6 Whereupon were the foundations thereof fastened? Or who laid the corner-stone thereof,

7 When the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God shouted for joy?

His second Abode was in Eden the Garden of God which in the following description bares no resemblance to Eden the Garden where God placed man. Ezekiel 28:13

13 Thou wast in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, the topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was in thee; in the day that thou wast created they were prepared.

The very end of the verse also declares that in the day that Satan was created these precious stones were prepared. Satan's first abode was on the holy mountain of God and was a covering for God upon His throne Ezekiel 28:14

14 Thou wast the anointed cherub that covereth:

We can establish that God did place Satan into this mineral garden or the Garden of Jehovah prior to man being created because God speaks of him as perfection in wisdom and beauty Ezekiel 28:12b

Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.

His creation seals up the sum of this particular creation in wisdom and perfection in beauty. Also, was he perfect in his ways Ezekiel 28:15

15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till unrighteousness was found in thee.

We have Satan residing in Eden the Garden of God until Iniquity was found in him. So unless in scripture there is another physical location that contains some of the same minerals still found on earth today as was in Eden the Garden of Jehovah, then there is a solid foundation scripturally that the earth was Satan's second abode prior to his fall...thus leading to the opening statement of Genesis 1:2.

Genesis 1:2 is a state of chaos placing the fall of Satan between 1:1 and 1:2 because when Satan entered into the garden of Eden (of man) he brought sin with him defining that he had already received his punishment and banishment from the throne of God which took place prior to the Creation of mankind.

In Christ

JB

Edited May 24, 2009 by Johnny_Blaze

[Guest]

.... I wouldn't be too quick about their not being a "possibility" that there were inhabitants of the earth prior to God creating man and I will provide scripture that irrefutably proves that the opportunity did exist.

Oh Johny!

Irrefutably Empty Is Empty And Void Is Void And For Sure It's The First Day

And the earth was without form, and void;

Genesis 1:2(a)

Some Fellows Will Gaze At The Heavens And Still Think Their Tiny Minds Encompass All Creation And It's Creator Too

For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.

For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

Isaiah 55:8-9

Think God Really Is Smaller Than The Creative Playthings Of His Fingers

When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained;

What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?

Psalms 8:3-4

No? Me Neither

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we find that Satan dwelt in Eden the Garden of God then in Eden the Garden of Man. They are two separate places.

For Sure!

We Find saTen In God's Garden

Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

Ezekiel 28:13

And After The Creation Of Grandma

And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

Genesis 2:8

We Find saTen Lying To Her

Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

Genesis 3:1

Think hE Lies To Others

But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

2 Corinthians 4:3-4

Yeah? Me Too!

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The Trouble With Messing Around With God's Holy Book Is

What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

Deuteronomy 12:32

It's God's Holy Book And

For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

2 Peter 1:21

Messing Around

Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Colossians 1:12-17

You Could Miss God Eternally

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 3:36

And That Dear Reader Would Be A Shame

Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.

Mark 8:38

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Believe The Whole Bible For In It We See Jesus

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The same was in the beginning with God.

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

John 1:1-3

Love, Joe

Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts. Jeremiah 15:16

[AnnaMoodley]

I believe that some of the wordings could be looked upon as a re-creation of the Earth.

One thing to note - the Lord separated the land and the water. But it never states God speaking, "Let there be land," nor "Let there be water."

These things are just there.

I firmly believe the Lord's objective with Genesis 1 was not to teach us the scienitific history of the Earth's Creation.

Try this - instead of studying Gen. 1 to learn about the Earth -

Try reading Gen. 1 to learn about the Lord's plan for redemption.

It says "in the beginning God [created/i] the Heaven and earth." it doesn't say God re-created the Earth. The earth is made of water and land and that is why it didn't have to say "let there be water" or "let the be land"...i think they came into existence when God created the earth...God can think anything into existence because He is the Creator.

Edited May 24, 2009 by AnnaMoodley

[Guest shiloh357]

Isaiah 51:3

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For Jehovah hath comforted Zion; he hath comforted all her waste places, and hath made her wilderness like Eden, and her desert like the garden of Jehovah; joy and gladness shall be found therein, thanksgiving, and the voice of melody.

Isaiah 51:3 makes a distinction between Eden and the garden of Jehovah.

No, he is not making a distinction. It is what is known in Hebrew as a Parallelism. In this case it is same thing repeated in different terms. It is a form of Hebrew poetry.

Has made her wilderness like Eden is repeated in the same verse in a parellel structure: "and her desert like the garden of Jehovah;" It is called a synonomous parallel and is one of three common Hebrew parallel structures that occur in Scripture.

When we examine the Abodes of Satan, we find that Satan dwelt in Eden the Garden of God then in Eden the Garden of Man. They are two separate places.

I am sorry, but they are not. They are simply to different ways of referencing the same place.