Homosexuality and evolution

[Believer1997]

Ok here is one link. There's others but I'd have to find them.

http://www.theroadtoemmaus.org/RdLb/22SxSo...hosx_lifspn.htm

To get your info just read this, ok? To find more just type your search into google with quotes or without and you'll find lots more.

Have a great day.

I've seen the Kinsey report and I've also seen this site. I tend to believe that a study conducted in San Francisco on homosexual lifespan data is somewhat skewed because of the other factors - large community of gays and drug issues that would lead to a higher incidence of AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseases along with Hep-C, etc. The Kinsey report and one done by Johns Hopkins on similar information indicates that gays in other less densely populated gay communities live longer. Thank you for this link.

[SamP]

You're welcome my friend.

[ParanoidAndroid]

Homosexuality cannot be "cured".

You know (understand) not the Scriptures, nor the power of God.

And you understand not the power of biology. With all due respect, nebula, I find it SCARY that some people believe they can closet (pardon the pun) a homosexual in a room for six weeks, bombard them with scriptures and threats of hell, and then come out the other side thinking that they have actually HELPED the person in question.

Well, that method is neither the way to cast out demons nor take a person through counseling.

I would hope nobody tries the method you suggested above, either.

I am all for counselling. Married couples go to counselling also. Heterosexuals go to counselling. Depressed people go to counselling. There are many reasons to go to counselling, and I am all for that.

But assuming that a homosexual who has counselling does so for the purpose of being "cured" of homosexuality so they can function in a heterosexual relationship - then that is simply incorrect. While counselling may help to deal with issues a person has (and there may very easily be some issues to deal with), most will still deal with their feelings for the entirety of their lives.

[ParanoidAndroid]

Many Christians are homosexuals, but because of their Love for God have chosen to not act on those homosexual urges. I would suggest a book titled, "What some of you were", if you can get your hands on it. It is a book of testimonies written by homosexual Christians who have chosen to live celibate lives in service of the Lord Jesus. An eye-opening read, I assure you. Assuming you can get your preconceived prejudices out of the way, that is.

All the best,

Many Christians are murderers too...you just don't see them writing books about how how they choose to fight the urge to murder people.

We all have temptation to sin, homosexuality would be no different. Its unfortunate that a person would now be considered "prejudiced" for believing that homosexuality is the one sin that the blood of Christ cannot overcome and cure.

You really missed my entire point. I urge you to read this book if you get a chance. It is amazing to read testimonies from homosexual Christians who have chosen to live celibate lives in service of Jesus Christ.

As an unmarried heterosexual male, I also have issues of premarital sex to consider. Can the blood of Jesus cure the feelings I get when I look at attractive women? No! But through perseverance and prayer, I can deal with those urges. Why should it be that a homosexual Christian dealing with celibacy must be able to be cured of those feelings altogether? Why not hold them to the same standard - through perseverance and prayer, homosexual Christians living celibate lives can deal with homosexual urges.

[MorningGlory]

As an unmarried heterosexual male, I also have issues of premarital sex to consider. Can the blood of Jesus cure the feelings I get when I look at attractive women? No! But through perseverance and prayer, I can deal with those urges. Why should it be that a homosexual Christian dealing with celibacy must be able to be cured of those feelings altogether? Why not hold them to the same standard - through perseverance and prayer, homosexual Christians living celibate lives can deal with homosexual urges.

That actually makes perfect sense.

[ParanoidAndroid]

Actually, many species have exhibited homosexual dispositions - link.

Though of course, being in nature does not by default mean it is acceptable. Many things in nature (cannibalism being the best one I can think of) are also found naturally within the animal kingdom, this does not make it any more or less acceptable for me to murder and eat my work colleagues.

The very scientific wiki-argument...lol.

Not one sentence of the article strayed from the flawed position of applying human characteristics and motivations to animals...and therein lies the flaw of this disturbing myth. Animal cognition is purely sensorial, limited to sound, odor, touch, taste and image. Thus, animals lack the precision and clarity of human intellectual perception. Therefore, animals frequently confuse one sensation with another or one object with another.

In man, when two instinctive reactions clash, the intellect determines the best course to follow, and the will then holds one instinct in check while encouraging the other. With animals that lack intellect and will, when two instinctive impulses clash, the one most favored by circumstances prevails.

source

You know that one of the key points of this article you quoted simply reinforces exactly what I was saying, right! To restate - Though of course, being in nature does not be default mean it is acceptable. Many things in nature (cannibalism being the best one I can think of) are also found naturally within the animal kingdom, this does not make it any more or less acceptable for me to murder and eat my work colleagues.

[MorningGlory]

Actually, many species have exhibited homosexual dispositions - link.

Though of course, being in nature does not by default mean it is acceptable. Many things in nature (cannibalism being the best one I can think of) are also found naturally within the animal kingdom, this does not make it any more or less acceptable for me to murder and eat my work colleagues.

The very scientific wiki-argument...lol.

Not one sentence of the article strayed from the flawed position of applying human characteristics and motivations to animals...and therein lies the flaw of this disturbing myth. Animal cognition is purely sensorial, limited to sound, odor, touch, taste and image. Thus, animals lack the precision and clarity of human intellectual perception. Therefore, animals frequently confuse one sensation with another or one object with another.

In man, when two instinctive reactions clash, the intellect determines the best course to follow, and the will then holds one instinct in check while encouraging the other. With animals that lack intellect and will, when two instinctive impulses clash, the one most favored by circumstances prevails.

source

You know that one of the key points of this article you quoted simply reinforces exactly what I was saying, right! To restate - Though of course, being in nature does not be default mean it is acceptable. Many things in nature (cannibalism being the best one I can think of) are also found naturally within the animal kingdom, this does not make it any more or less acceptable for me to murder and eat my work colleagues.

[nebula]

PA -

I am wondering how you understand the Lord's commands against homosexual behavior in light of your belief about it?

[Axxman]

You know that one of the key points of this article you quoted simply reinforces exactly what I was saying, right! To restate - Though of course, being in nature does not be default mean it is acceptable. Many things in nature (cannibalism being the best one I can think of) are also found naturally within the animal kingdom, this does not make it any more or less acceptable for me to murder and eat my work colleagues.

Actually, I did notice that point of agreement and I meant to point that out in my post...but I forgot. (My bad.) I totally agreed with your point that just because "Animals do it" doesn't mean anything in regard to human behavior.

[Axxman]

Animals may lack what we deem "intellect" but even the earthworm has "will" in that it can move around in response to stimuli. Ever had an earthworm who didn't cooperate when you wanted to stick it on the barb of your fish-hook?

Again, i must disagree with the use of a HUMAN trait ("will") in a non-human species. Earthworms do respond to stimuli, but it is not a matter of "will" ...it is a matter of a natural reaction from outside influences on the nerve fibers in the worm. Saying the worm has a "will" implies that it can "decide" how to react to different stimuli.

The reason the earthworm doesn't cooperate while going onto a hook is NOT because it knows/decides/recognizes the fish-hook...but rather because of the natural reaction of the worms giant fiber reflex when those fibers are touched/poked/prodded by outside stimuli.