The power of one word

[Guest Butero]

...Even though other words can be used through translation, rejoice, to me, best fits what we do in Christ. Boast, proud, pride and brag should not be in the makeup of a Christian. These words do not resemble humility.

OK, so from that perspective -

Where Paul talks about boasting in the cross of Christ -

Do you believe a different word should be used as well?

That is an interesting point, though I am not sure what verse you are talking about? The word boast is used in other places. Perhaps we should seek out other examples in scripture as well as their context?

[Fez]

I feel like I'm trying to discuss this and learn something in the middle of a bar fight, but Oh well.

Yes Nebula, I for one think that using the Greek translation for boasting in the cross of Christ, as in rejoicing in the cross of Christ makes sense.

[OneLight]

...Even though other words can be used through translation, rejoice, to me, best fits what we do in Christ. Boast, proud, pride and brag should not be in the makeup of a Christian. These words do not resemble humility.

OK, so from that perspective -

Where Paul talks about boasting in the cross of Christ -

Do you believe a different word should be used as well?

Galatians 6:14 (NKJV)

But God forbid that I should boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.

Paul is boasting on what Jesus did, not what he did.

I wasn't going to do this because of the infighting going on, but again, the words used are:

1. boast
   
2. proud
   
3. brag
   
4. glory
   

I prefer glory.

[pokemaughan]

Talk about an offensive comment? You are not the only one that has researched this Pokemaughan. Many of us on the KJV side of the isle have researched this as well, and don't agree with your conclusions. Comparing this to racism is totally nuts. Then you come out with the comment that really answers where you stand. You said, "it just bugs me to death that the KJVO crowd still thinks that way." In other words, I guess to you, we are the Archie Bunker types, and you are the educated one who really knows the truth? This same kind of argument is often times used by people who worship idols towards Christians. They will talk about how it bugs them that racist types like us are ignorantly descriminating against them. The homosexuals say the same thing against those they consider intollerant bigots for holding to the Biblical teachings on sodomy. I am glad you posted this because it explains where you are coming from. It bugs you that after hearing all the enlightened comments from educated people like you that have fully researched new translations and decided they were good, there are still ignorant people like me that won't go along. I am glad to see we have this straightened out.

Don't extrapolate things and put words in my mouth, bro...

[OneLight]

Talk about an offensive comment? You are not the only one that has researched this Pokemaughan. Many of us on the KJV side of the isle have researched this as well, and don't agree with your conclusions. Comparing this to racism is totally nuts. Then you come out with the comment that really answers where you stand. You said, "it just bugs me to death that the KJVO crowd still thinks that way." In other words, I guess to you, we are the Archie Bunker types, and you are the educated one who really knows the truth? This same kind of argument is often times used by people who worship idols towards Christians. They will talk about how it bugs them that racist types like us are ignorantly descriminating against them. The homosexuals say the same thing against those they consider intollerant bigots for holding to the Biblical teachings on sodomy. I am glad you posted this because it explains where you are coming from. It bugs you that after hearing all the enlightened comments from educated people like you that have fully researched new translations and decided they were good, there are still ignorant people like me that won't go along. I am glad to see we have this straightened out.

Don't extrapolate things and put words in my mouth, bro...

Please, there is a PM function for this type of discussion.

[Guest Butero]

You know, you can't discuss the changing of one single word without discussing the translation in which that word appears.

If you feel that that one single word distorts the truth, it would only be wise to point out which translation it can be found in. And it would be just as wise to point out the translations we feel to be correct and our reasons for it.

If there's a white elephant standing in the middle of your living room, it has to be acknowledged.

I agree! Some 'translations' like The Message and the like should be cast into the 'no-no' bin. And in fact every translation you choose to read should be evaluated to some point, because all are works of men.

But I don't know about you, but I hate getting indirectly browbeaten by every post Butero makes. I'm pretty adamant about this... I'm not bugged just 'because'. These are things I've spent a lot of time researching it from both sides and it just bugs me to death that the KJVO crowd still thinks that way. It's almost like another form of racism. It just screams ignorance and drives me nuts!

I don't think I added anything to this. Let's look at the accusations once more.

1. "It just bugs me to death that the KJVO crowd still thinks that way." In other words, Pokemaughan knows better, and it bugs him that there are people that haven't come to the same conclusions he has. Like it or not, there are people out here that still think for themselves.

2. "It's almost like another form of racism." He doesn't like being "indirectly browbeaten" but it is ok to indirectly accuse me of being a borderline racist? What is the race I am prejudiced against? I didn't know that those who hold to differen't Bible translations were of a differen't race?

3. "It just screams ignorance and drives me nuts!" Here I am called ignorant because I don't believe in modern English translations of the Bible. I spent plenty of time researching this issue myself, and take exception to that accusation.

I understand what you are saying OneLight, but the accusations were made publically, so they need to be disputed publically. I tried to get back on topic afterward, but to no avail.

[Guest]

Well, it's like this:

When I was a little girl, I was taught the song, "They'll Know We Are Christians By Our Love." We sang it at church several times.

But I was puzzled by the third verse:

And we'll guard each man's dignity

And save each man's pride

Because even then I knew that pride was wrong.

So why was it Christian to save a man's pride?

But then I thought of how the loss of dignity was associated with oppression and being violated.

So I though, "Oh - that kind of pride." . . . .

Compare 2Cor. 7:4 -

I have great confidence in you; I take great pride in you. I am greatly encouraged; in all our troubles my joy knows no bounds.

Sorry I'm not good at putting my conclusions into words too well . . . but do you get the idea of what I mean and where I'm coming from?

Yes, when it speaks of taking pride in another. But I still think this word, even used this way, is a double edged sword. What do you think of when it says to take pride in yourself?

Wow!

Cool Thread!

>>>>>()<<<<<

Boast! Boast! Boast!

My soul shall make her boast in the LORD: the humble shall hear thereof, and be glad. Psalms 34:2

Glory! Glory! Glory!

But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world. Galatians 6:14

Jesus! Jesus! Jesus!

Love, Joe

Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts. Jeremiah 15:16

[OneLight]

Cool Thread!

Hmmm, do you mean that this thread is like a cool heart ... or has it cooled down ... or that is is as welcomed a nice new clothes ... or that you like the thread? What is the meaning of this word "cool"?

[Guest]

Cool Thread!

Hmmm, do you mean that this thread is like a cool heart ... or has it cooled down ... or that is is as welcomed a nice new clothes ... or that you like the thread? What is the meaning of this word "cool"?

[damo1]

speaking for my self

it all comes to how we are discipled and what we alow our selves to take on board

when i was discipled i was encouraged to let gods word speak into my life

i was encouraged to use the gifts god had given me

i was taken out of my comfort zones

often i had made mistakes by listening to other mens revelations to the point were i began to even take on doctrines that nearly destroyed me

insteed of testing what was being taught to me i just simply went with the flow

know as an adult i am seeing that it was silly for me to do this i am nearly 42 i can honestly say i wish i did not alow bad influences to speak into my life

even in the legalistic church i found my self in i am seriously saying to my sellf why did i alow my self to be easly manipulated

god had put good mature christians around me i had alowed my self to hang out with immature christians

even the way i was brought up religon and tradition and what my grandparents had said to me and what my fathers father had said to me

James 1

3 for you know the testing of your faith produces steadfastness

4 and let steadfastness have its full effect that you may be perfect and complete lacking in nothing

how is a young christian to know what they are being taught is producing faith

how is a young christian to know if they are being led astray

how is a young christian to take the baby steps when i see we even doubt what we read and what we hear god doing

the baby steps a young christian takes do they listen to mature christians who are grounded in the word who can speak into their lives sharing openly how they had gotten to were they are know in their walk

or does the young christian do this

James 1

5 if any of you lacks wisdom let him ask god who gives generously to all with out reproach and it wil be given to him

6 but let him ask in faith with no doubting for the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea that is driven and tossed by the wind

when it comes to the translations we read from i try not to lead any one astray by saying stick to the most popular translation i always tel new christians who are looking for a bible to pick one that is going to be comfterbal for them dont just go with the popular translations that are being sold in our christian book stores

also when i got discipled i was encouraged to go on out reach with my pastor and use my gifts in the real world and not waste my gifts by joining a political party

i live in our nations capital city and canberra being canberra we have a lot of political partys looking for new members

the christians have their own politcal partys in canberra and i know all the christians that are members of these diffrent politcal partys that have grown

come election time our churches get bombared with members from the greens and the other partys wanting to speak to us wanting our back up and they know that if they want us to vote them in they need to win us over

i have also gone to the parliment house prayer meetings and christian confrences held in the parliment house where i have sat next to the politicans i see on tv but never new they were born again christians

one thing worrys me when it comes to discipling a new christian what do i tel that new christian who has just given their heart to the lord

also since i have been a member hear and in other on line christian forums i am worried for the new christians

do we disciple the new christians like jesus discipled his disciples or do we just leave them alone and let them decide how they are to be discipled

i have honestly had to come before the lord asking god to never let me lead any new christian astray never let me teach a new christian what i hear being said in online christian forums

i have learnt a lot since i have been a member of worthy and i am seeing a lot of the ones i am getting to know wil never see eye to eye with me

this is my concern for the new christians

we all are at a place in our walk were we have matured but from our mistakes

is it safe for new christians who come to online forums listening to what is said or do we tell new christians to first grow in god and then tel them to come back when they are strong and mature

i am stil learning i have not gotten their just yet but i am thank full that i am able to see were i have come from and i am thank ful for god teling me what i needed to let go off because if i did not do this and just ignored god i would be like a boat on the sea being tossed taking on al sort of doctrines that wil be in the long run harming me

i did not mean to take one lights topic of its course but i am throwing what i have been threw and what is on my heart into one lights topic just to see if i am not alone and if others think like i do

damo1