Pastor tazzed for refusing unwarranted search.

[BlindSeeker]

See video here

Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose . . .

[traveller]

I will have to watch this when my house is a bit quieter, Brother. It appears rather grim, however.

[Believer1997]

The police will taze anyone - did you guys see the 71 y/o woman tazzed at a traffic stop - she was being a bit of a nuisance, but he didn't have to do that. What would they have done before tazors? Yikes.

[Axxman]

Ummmm....the guy refused the lawful orders of police officers who had probable cause to search his vehicle. He locked himslef in his car for an hour yelling at police while a dog who is trained to sniff out drugs was alerted to his car. Once the police inform you that you are under arrest...you have lost the fight. If you persist in being defiant...they will come and get you. Don't be surprised if they come with tasers and guns, instead of flowers and chocolates.

These checkpoints are an important part of our security (we have too little at the border as it is) and the Supreme Court has validated their use...and they have also validated the search of a person's car without a warrant necessary if probable cause is present.

[Fraught]

Ummmm....the guy refused the lawful orders of police officers who had probable cause to search his vehicle. He locked himslef in his car for an hour yelling at police while a dog who is trained to sniff out drugs was alerted to his car. Once the police inform you that you are under arrest...you have lost the fight. If you persist in being defiant...they will come and get you. Don't be surprised if they come with tasers and guns, instead of flowers and chocolates.

These checkpoints are an important part of our security (we have too little at the border as it is) and the Supreme Court has validated their use...and they have also validated the search of a person's car without a warrant necessary if probable cause is present.

must respond with this quote: They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

[Guest]

Ummmm....the guy refused the lawful orders of police officers who had probable cause to search his vehicle. He locked himself in his car for an hour yelling at police while a dog who is trained to sniff out drugs was alerted to his car. Once the police inform you that you are under arrest...you have lost the fight. If you persist in being defiant...they will come and get you. Don't be surprised if they come with tasers and guns, instead of flowers and chocolates.

These checkpoints are an important part of our security (we have too little at the border as it is) and the Supreme Court has validated their use...and they have also validated the search of a person's car without a warrant necessary if probable cause is present.

Probable Cause Or Not Dear Brother

We Answer To A Higher Authority And The Baiting And The Taunting

And The Provoking Of Working Folk Into The Use Of Force Is Neither An Act Of Love Nor Is It The Gentle Thing To Do

To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.

Titus 3:2

And Then To Rebroadcast It

He that covereth a transgression seeketh love; but he that repeateth a matter separateth very friends.

Proverbs 17:9

Is Just Plain Hateful

Hatred stirreth up strifes: but love covereth all sins.

Proverbs 10:12

And Wrong

And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

Hebrews 10:24

But God

For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Philippians 2:13

Changes Hearts

A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

Ezekiel 36:26

If One Would But Call On His Name

And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

Joel 2:32

>>>>>()<<<<<

Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel, and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27

Love, Your Brother Joe

A soft answer turneth away wrath: but grievous words stir up anger.

Proverbs 15:1

The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee.

Jeremiah 31:3

Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

Isaiah 1:18

O taste and see that the LORD is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him.

Psalms 34:8

Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts.

Jeremiah 15:16

[mizzdy]

First there wasn't a 'random' set up, this particular stop is always there I have been through it myself a few times. The guy had been through this one himself several times and was just fed up with having to stop each and every time and something just made him not want to comply this time around. The agents went overboard really and it was all caught on tape and is under review, though I understand they did go back the book. I don't like it, I don't agree with what happened but for better or worse its the law of the land. If it was me getting stopped by the same agents at the same stop everytime I made the trip I might have had enough of it also and probably would have raised a stink but not sure I would have let them tased me and broke my car windows especially if I had nothing to hide. Not too many illegals or drugs are caught in those kind of stops from what my husbands step father tells us and I think the money could be better spent.

[Believer1997]

Ummmm....the guy refused the lawful orders of police officers who had probable cause to search his vehicle. He locked himslef in his car for an hour yelling at police while a dog who is trained to sniff out drugs was alerted to his car. Once the police inform you that you are under arrest...you have lost the fight. If you persist in being defiant...they will come and get you. Don't be surprised if they come with tasers and guns, instead of flowers and chocolates.

These checkpoints are an important part of our security (we have too little at the border as it is) and the Supreme Court has validated their use...and they have also validated the search of a person's car without a warrant necessary if probable cause is present.

Do you honestly mean to tell me they sometimes USE Flowers AND Chocolates??? Good grief... I wish I'd known - I'd have chosen those...

[papasangel]

I would have to say I have to agree with the Pastor. Our rights have long been trampled on. We need to bring God back to America. We need Him in our schools, jobs, political arena and most of all in our Hearts. It's going to get harder folks. This is a beginning. Soon it will be a crime if you are for Jesus. If so then call me a criminal because nothing is going to turn me from Christ. God has been with us since the beginning, He is with us now, and He will be with us in the end, unchanging and mighty in His Power. Wake up everyone the enemy is not near anymore because he is already here and spreading his lies and hate.

[BlindSeeker]

Ummmm....the guy refused the lawful orders of police officers who had probable cause to search his vehicle. He locked himslef in his car for an hour yelling at police while a dog who is trained to sniff out drugs was alerted to his car. Once the police inform you that you are under arrest...you have lost the fight. If you persist in being defiant...they will come and get you. Don't be surprised if they come with tasers and guns, instead of flowers and chocolates.

These checkpoints are an important part of our security (we have too little at the border as it is) and the Supreme Court has validated their use...and they have also validated the search of a person's car without a warrant necessary if probable cause is present.

Ok "lawful orders" and checkpoints 50 - 100 miles from international borders for an important part of our security, yea, yea, yea . . .

Another link can't be posted because of the TOS but if you search for "Abusive Border Patrol Agents w/ Nun Chucks at NM Checkpoint" you will see the same man filming himself and the border guards at possibly the same checkpoint (I don't know) where he is stop for a half hour. He refuses to lower the window and answers only pertinent questions and refuses to comply to their demands to pull over and be searched because they are unlawful. The border guards at one point call him a terrorist, banish a nightstick in intimidation shows him the little card that explains the "law" that gives them authority to which he explains he is in compliance with the law and that they are taking it beyond its bonds.

Bottom line . . . they let him pass after a half hour. Government authority does not yield unless it has no choice . . . it is contrary to the nature of the beast.

I know, if we have nothing to hide than what's the big deal? Sounds reasonable, except it is an invasion of rights. Not constitutional rights, but constitutionally recognized God given rights.

The 10th commandment tells us that God requires us to respect each others personal property and with that is our privacy. People only have a right to know about me what I want and choose to disclose, unless I have already breached my good standing with God and man in a specific situation. Then only information pertinent to the incident can only then be public disclosed to those who "need to know."

People really do not understand how much their "rights" and freedom have been taken away. They no longer understand liberty. Now we have a government that is rapidly invading the private sector and usurping or rights to privacy and private property. Eminent domain was a seed of thorn and thistle planted in society to control and evade the masses under the guise of community good but has become the tool of lever of those wanton of power and driven by greed.

Sure the guy could have just complied . . . but was he really legally obligated to?

The more power you give to government, the more they want.

More power = more corruption, absolute power = absolute corruption.

We have just been sitting in this pot of hot water for so long that we don't realize just how hot the water really is.

Its not global warming, it government swarming.

Perhaps a review of Patrick Henry's speech might say things clearer . . . but below are some excerpts . . .

No man thinks more highly than I do of the patriotism, as well as abilities, of the very worthy gentlemen who have just addressed the House. But different men often see the same subject in different lights; and, therefore, I hope that it will not be thought disrespectful to those gentlemen, if, entertaining as I do opinions of a character very opposite to theirs, I shall speak forth my sentiments freely and without reserve.

This is no time for ceremony. The question before the House is one of awful moment to this country.

For my own part I consider it as nothing less than a question of freedom or slavery

; and in proportion to the magnitude of the subject ought to be the freedom of the debate. It is only in this way that we can hope to arrive at truth, and fulfill the great responsibility which we hold to God and our country.

Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offense, I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country, and of an act of disloyalty towards the majesty of heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings.

Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren, till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? . . .

Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation -- the last arguments to which kings resort. I ask gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any other possible motives for it? . . .

Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne. In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope.

If we wish to be free -- if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending -- if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained, we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of Hosts is all that is left us! . . .

They tell us, sir, that we are weak -- unable to cope with so formidable an adversary

[*such as terrorism]

. But

when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed

, and when a British

[*National]

guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction?

Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance, by lying supinely on our backs, and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot?

. . .

It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, "Peace! Peace!" -- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God!

I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!

Freedom . . . what a concept. Something so many are willing to throw away and take from others . . .

If you don't stand up for it, you don't deserve it.

If you give away part of it, expect it all to be demanded and lost.

Yea, yea, I know . . . "lawful orders" and checkpoints 50 - 100 miles from international borders for an important part of our security . . . got nothing to hide . . . .