DOES GOD EXIST.

[nebula]

Seems like I was the only one who understands where Capnmike was going with this.

[Drawn]

Seems like I was the only one who understands where Capnmike was going with this.

Oh, I understood what he was trying to do, but I thought that what he wanted to do probably belonged in Apologetics. I thought this was a thread about the barber story. I'm all about the sciences, I study as much as I can (and of course compare what I read with the holy word of God). I'm actually in a second-level apologetics class at church as well as a Reformation Fathers class. I enjoy apologetics, just think that capnmike should start a new thread elsewhere. Of course, I mean no disrespect to you, capnmike. To disrespect my brother is to disrespect the Saviour, in my humble opinion.

[lekh l'kha]

A man went to a barbershop to have his hair cut and his beard trimmed.

As the barber began to work, they began to have a good conversation.

They talked about so many things and various subjects..

When they eventually touched on the subject of God, the barber said:

"I don't believe that God exists."

"Why do you say that?" asked the customer.

"Well, you just have to go out in the street to realize that God doesn't exist.

Tell me, if God exists, would there be so many sick people?

Would there be abandoned children?

If God existed, there would be neither suffering nor pain.

I can't imagine a loving God who would allow all of these things."

The customer thought for a moment, but didn't respond because he didn't want to start an argument.

The barber finished his job and the customer left the shop.

Just after the customer left the barbershop, he saw a man in the street with long, stringy, dirty hair and an untrimmed beard.

He looked extreemly dirty and unkempt. The customer turned back and entered the barber shop again and he said to the barber:

"You know what? Barbers do not exist."

"How can you say that?" asked the surprised barber.

"I am here, and I am a barber. And I just worked on you!"

"No!" the customer exclaimed. "Barbers don't exist because if they did, there would be no people with dirty long hair and untrimmed beards, like that man outside."

"Ah, but barbers DO exist! That's what happens when people do not come to me."

"Exactly!" affirmed the customer. "That's the point! God, too, DOES exist!

That's what happens when people do not go to Him and don't look to Him for help. That's why there's so much pain and suffering in the world."

Great story, hazard. I have another question: Does Israel exist? Because preterists say it doesn't.

[Capnmike02]

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It`s very simple;

Now, I know that I am "saved", but how???

By persuasive argumentation, convincing speech???

No, something much deeper... You see, if my "Faith" is no more than the product of "intellectual persuasion", convincing argumentation then it rests, not upon God, God`s Word (Logos) or (Most importantly) a personal relatiionship with Christ Himself, but upon my personal state of mind...

It is mutable, changeable, it stands to reason, that if I can be "convinced" of the one, then just as easily could I be convinced of the other...

Do you see??? . . . .

Yes, I do. Thank-you!

That was a very interesting insight and way of expressing things.

(I'm into the sciences BTW.)

And the testimony you shared brought a tear to my eye.

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Interested in "behavioural sciences"???

If so, I have some "impromptu results" from an unintentional (by me) three year experiment...

The results of which actually set me to thinking in just this vein of "Stimulus begets results"...

It stemmed from an assertion that I made on another board that:" They who accept evolution cannot really say that they actually believe, simply because they`ve been given no choice in the matter due to a one sided indoctrination process performed within academia."

The responses were interesting, amazing and fully validated the accuracy of these "assertions"...

Capt.Mike...

[Capnmike02]

Seems like I was the only one who understands where Capnmike was going with this.

Oh, I understood what he was trying to do, but I thought that what he wanted to do probably belonged in Apologetics. I thought this was a thread about the barber story. I'm all about the sciences, I study as much as I can (and of course compare what I read with the holy word of God). I'm actually in a second-level apologetics class at church as well as a Reformation Fathers class. I enjoy apologetics, just think that capnmike should start a new thread elsewhere. Of course, I mean no disrespect to you, capnmike. To disrespect my brother is to disrespect the Saviour, in my humble opinion.

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Was under the impression that it is a thread on :"Does God Exist" as it`s title implies...

And, I suffer far worse indignities amongst atheists and other and sundry forms of heathen than you can possibly rain down upon me here...

Hopefully I`ve developed a thick hide, yet also a propensity for quick and acerbic response...

[nebula]

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Interested in "behavioural sciences"???

No!

If so, I have some "impromptu results" from an unintentional (by me) three year experiment...

The results of which actually set me to thinking in just this vein of "Stimulus begets results"...

It stemmed from an assertion that I made on another board that:" They who accept evolution cannot really say that they actually believe, simply because they`ve been given no choice in the matter due to a one sided indoctrination process performed within academia."

The responses were interesting, amazing and fully validated the accuracy of these "assertions"...

Capt.Mike...

LOL - that does sound interesting.

[Drawn]

Seems like I was the only one who understands where Capnmike was going with this.

Oh, I understood what he was trying to do, but I thought that what he wanted to do probably belonged in Apologetics. I thought this was a thread about the barber story. I'm all about the sciences, I study as much as I can (and of course compare what I read with the holy word of God). I'm actually in a second-level apologetics class at church as well as a Reformation Fathers class. I enjoy apologetics, just think that capnmike should start a new thread elsewhere. Of course, I mean no disrespect to you, capnmike. To disrespect my brother is to disrespect the Saviour, in my humble opinion.

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Was under the impression that it is a thread on :"Does God Exist" as it`s title implies...

And, I suffer far worse indignities amongst atheists and other and sundry forms of heathen than you can possibly rain down upon me here...

Hopefully I`ve developed a thick hide, yet also a propensity for quick and acerbic response...

Might I offer you a delicious root beer?

I just think that this would be nice if placed in Apologetics, because more people with whom you wish to discuss this issue will be seen in that area than in here- that's all. No offenses were intended at all, and if I did offend, please accept my apologies... and root beer.

[Capnmike02]

Seems like I was the only one who understands where Capnmike was going with this.

Oh, I understood what he was trying to do, but I thought that what he wanted to do probably belonged in Apologetics. I thought this was a thread about the barber story. I'm all about the sciences, I study as much as I can (and of course compare what I read with the holy word of God). I'm actually in a second-level apologetics class at church as well as a Reformation Fathers class. I enjoy apologetics, just think that capnmike should start a new thread elsewhere. Of course, I mean no disrespect to you, capnmike. To disrespect my brother is to disrespect the Saviour, in my humble opinion.

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Was under the impression that it is a thread on :"Does God Exist" as it`s title implies...

And, I suffer far worse indignities amongst atheists and other and sundry forms of heathen than you can possibly rain down upon me here...

Hopefully I`ve developed a thick hide, yet also a propensity for quick and acerbic response...

Might I offer you a delicious root beer?

I just think that this would be nice if placed in Apologetics, because more people with whom you wish to discuss this issue will be seen in that area than in here- that's all. No offenses were intended at all, and if I did offend, please accept my apologies... and root beer.

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I was`nt aware of the rigid categorization rules here...

Now, if someone would tell me how to get into that category???

"Nebula", if you`re reading this, look for my comments on the "impromptu experiment" in behaviour over there...

I guess...

Capt.Mike...

[Openly Curious]

'HAZARD' date='Aug 28 2009,

A man went to a barbershop to have his hair cut and his beard trimmed.

As the barber began to work, they began to have a good conversation.

They talked about so many things and various subjects..

When they eventually touched on the subject of God, the barber said:

"I don't believe that God exists."

"Why do you say that?" asked the customer.

"Well, you just have to go out in the street to realize that God doesn't exist.

Tell me, if God exists, would there be so many sick people?

Would there be abandoned children?

If God existed, there would be neither suffering nor pain.

I can't imagine a loving God who would allow all of these things."

The customer thought for a moment, but didn't respond because he didn't want to start an argument.

The barber finished his job and the customer left the shop.

Just after the customer left the barbershop, he saw a man in the street with long, stringy, dirty hair and an untrimmed beard.

He looked extreemly dirty and unkempt. The customer turned back and entered the barber shop again and he said to the barber:

"You know what? Barbers do not exist."

"How can you say that?" asked the surprised barber.

"I am here, and I am a barber. And I just worked on you!"

"No!" the customer exclaimed. "Barbers don't exist because if they did, there would be no people with dirty long hair and untrimmed beards, like that man outside."

"Ah, but barbers DO exist! That's what happens when people do not come to me."

"Exactly!" affirmed the customer. "That's the point! God, too, DOES exist!

That's what happens when people do not go to Him and don't look to Him for help. That's why there's so much pain and suffering in the world."

Psalms 14:1

THE FOOL hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

[nebula]

I was`nt aware of the rigid categorization rules here...

Now, if someone would tell me how to get into that category???

From the main page, the top of the Board is the "Outer Court" section (look for the title). Because whenever a non-Christian entered a discussion in any subject, the thread got turned into a "debate the existence of God" thread - which of course killed the topic of the Original Post. Plus, it was hard for Christians to discuss matters among ourselves from Christian perspectives when non-Christians were in the mix. So, in order to manage discussions better, non-Christians are restricted to the "Outer Court". In the Outer Court are different forums and one has 4 subforums to chose from for posting.

The reason it was asked for you to take this discussion there was because the Outer Court would be where the non-Christians can be found and interacted with.

"Nebula", if you`re reading this, look for my comments on the "impromptu experiment" in behaviour over there...

I guess...

I can't find it.