Hell

[MorningGlory]

San Antonio in August

HOUSTON in August.....

[Fez]

Hell is everywhere God is not!

Heaven is anywhere God is!

Simple really.

[Guest yod]

Hell is everywhere God is not!

Heaven is anywhere God is!

Simple really.

AMEN....best answer yet.

HOUSTON in August..... taped.gif

I was there last week...it wasn't so bad. But that toll road?!??!

I can't believe they let that happen in Texas.

[Massorite]

It's in Michigan.

Zip code 48169

Clever boy, aren't you?

AAAAAHAHAHA! HA!

[Kopane Mabasa]

Let us both agree that, as we speak, there is no fire burning right now in that hell that you are refering to/ that you are currently believing in.

Surely if that is true, then there will be no purpose at all for the ressurection/ judgement.

So now that fire coming down, will be switching hell ON, that is that will be fire for hell.

Is there fire in hell right now as we speak?

Or does hell not exist yet?

Exactly, there is no fire in hell right now as we speak/ writing.

Otherwise we were going to see it because hell is here on earth, thank for the relevant question that answers the above.

[Matthitjah]

Let us both agree that, as we speak, there is no fire burning right now in that hell that you are refering to/ that you are currently believing in.

Surely if that is true, then there will be no purpose at all for the ressurection/ judgement.

So now that fire coming down, will be switching hell ON, that is that will be fire for hell.

Is there fire in hell right now as we speak?

Or does hell not exist yet?

Exactly, there is no fire in hell right now as we speak/ writing.

Otherwise we were going to see it because hell is here on earth, thank for the relevant question that answers the above.

Grace to you,

Please expound dear friend. Use Scripture to verify your understanding too. Not just citing Revelation 20, please explain Revelation 20 because some discount your theory and understanding.

Peace,

Dave

[OneLight]

Let us both agree that, as we speak, there is no fire burning right now in that hell that you are refering to/ that you are currently believing in.

Surely if that is true, then there will be no purpose at all for the ressurection/ judgement.

So now that fire coming down, will be switching hell ON, that is that will be fire for hell.

Is there fire in hell right now as we speak?

Or does hell not exist yet?

Exactly, there is no fire in hell right now as we speak/ writing.

Otherwise we were going to see it because hell is here on earth, thank for the relevant question that answers the above.

The only glimpse we have is in a parable by Jesus.

Luke 16:19-31 (New King James Version)

The Rich Man and Lazarus

There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day. But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate, 21 desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.’ But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.’

Then he said, ‘I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father’s house, for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.’ Abraham said to him, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.’ And he said, ‘No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’

I am really confused by your comments. Do you think this life is the hell scripture talks of?

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

It appears that you have the impression that the bottomless pit, prison of satan fr 1,000 years, is indeed hell, but that is not the case. satan after his release from the bottomless pit will attempt one last shot at overthrowing the Kingdom. Ultimately, he will fail and then he is thrown into hell forever to be tormented. Nowhere does scripture indicate where this hell is located. We can only assume that the bottomless pit is on earth, but this is not now and by no means hell. It is more than likely Tartarus.

Here is a quote from Scofield on the passages you cite in Revelation 20;

Re 20:10

2 devil

Satan, Summary: This fearful being, apparently created one of the cherubim Cmt. on Eze 1:5 Cmt. on Eze 28:12 and anointed for a position of great authority, perhaps over the primitive creation, (note 3); Cmt. on Ge 1:2 Eze 28:11-15 fell through pride Isa 14:12-14 His "I will" Isa 14:13 marks the introduction of sin into the universe. Cast out of heaven Lu 10:18 he makes earth and air the scene of his tireless activity Eph 2:2; 1Pe 5:8. After the creation of man he entered into the serpent. Cmt. on Ge 3:1, and, beguiling Eve by his subtilty, secured the downfall of Adam and through him of the race, and the entrance of sin into the world of men Ro 5:12-14.

The Adamic Covenant Cmt. on Ge 3:14 promised the ultimate destruction of Satan through the "Seed of the woman." Then began his long warfare against the work of God in behalf of humanity, which still continues. The present world-system Re 13:8 organized upon the principle of force, greed, selfishness, ambition, and sinful pleasure, is his work and was the bribe which he offered to Christ Mt 4:8-9. Of that world-system he is prince Joh 14:30; 16:11 and god 2Co 4:4. As "prince of the power of the air" Eph 2:2 he is at the head of vast host of demons. Cmt. on Mt 7:22. To him, under God, was committed upon earth the power of death Heb 2:14. Cast out of heaven as his proper sphere and "first estate," he still has access to God as the "accuser of the brethren" Re 12:10 and is permitted a certain power of sifting or testing the self-confident and carnal among believers Job 1:6-11; Lu 22:31-32; 1Co 5:5; 1Ti 1:20 but this is strictly permissive and limited power, and believers so sifted are kept in faith through the advocacy of Christ Lu 22:31-32. Cmt. on 1Jo 2:1. At the beginning of the great tribulation Satan's privilege of access to God as accuser will be withdrawn Re 12:7-12. At the return of Christ in glory Satan will be bound for one thousand years Re 20:2 after which he will be "loosed for a little season" Re 20:3,7-8 and will become the head of final effort to overthrow the kingdom. Defeated in this, he will be finally cast into the lake of fire, his final doom. The notion that he reigns in hell is Miltonic, not biblical. He is prince of this present world-system, but will be tormented in the lake of fire.

Peace,

Dave

[Kopane Mabasa]

But again, Heaven and Hell aren't what we should be focusing on. It it JESUS we are to focus on.

so you choose what to read in the Bible?

I've read the entire Bible.

The way you are handling this is a poor way to conduct a discussion.

The answer is contained in the Bible, read Revelation 20:9 it says that hell is here on earth.

Not sure how you got Hell out of that verse?

It is not me, it is the scripture.

Well, you are going to have to explain that one . . . because you are obviously reading something that the rest of us are not.

Please let me know if you still contradict the scripture.

God Bless

Please let me know if we are reading the same Scripture.

I am so surprised that you could read the entire Bible and you could not pickup/ find out where hell is.

The way i am handling this discussion is not poor, but rather different, it will finally make it clear to all who always believed what they are currently believing.

Until now, it seems to me that no one can confidently pinpoint exactly where hell is.

It is for this reason that i decided to conduct this discussion this way.

Please bear with me with the approach if that does not go down well with you.

NB: You cannot keep on doing the same thing and expecting different results."same thing" is, you always believed that you do not know where hell is exactly.

Now I am here to show it to you. I am confident that sooner or later, you will finally agree that your long awaited answer about where hell is, is answered.

Please allow me to remind you that for Ages, people believed that the world was flat, christopher colombus to a crue around the world and proved that the world i actually round, not flat.

So please bear with me as we are unpacking/ discovering that hell is for real and it is here on this very earth that we are living in.

[~candice~]

But again, Heaven and Hell aren't what we should be focusing on. It it JESUS we are to focus on.

so you choose what to read in the Bible?

I've read the entire Bible.

The way you are handling this is a poor way to conduct a discussion.

The answer is contained in the Bible, read Revelation 20:9 it says that hell is here on earth.

Not sure how you got Hell out of that verse?

It is not me, it is the scripture.

Well, you are going to have to explain that one . . . because you are obviously reading something that the rest of us are not.

Please let me know if you still contradict the scripture.

God Bless

Please let me know if we are reading the same Scripture.

I am so surprised that you could read the entire Bible and you could not pickup/ find out where hell is.

The way i am handling this discussion is not poor, but rather different, it will finally make it clear to all who always believed what they are currently believing.

Until now, it seems to me that no one can confidently pinpoint exactly where hell is.

It is for this reason that i decided to conduct this discussion this way.

Please bear with me with the approach if that does not go down well with you.

NB: You cannot keep on doing the same thing and expecting different results."same thing" is, you always believed that you do not know where hell is exactly.

Now I am here to show it to you. I am confident that sooner or later, you will finally agree that your long awaited answer about where hell is, is answered.

Please allow me to remind you that for Ages, people believed that the world was flat, christopher colombus to a crue around the world and proved that the world i actually round, not flat.

So please bear with me as we are unpacking/ discovering that hell is for real and it is here on this very earth that we are living in.

Please explain your scripture. So far all you have said is "Rev 20:9" "hell is on earth" "I am right and you are wrong". You need to justify why you think hell is on earth now. I proved using scripture that hell cannot be on this earth. Read again carefully. Your position clearly violates scripture.

Hell is eternal,

Matt 18:6 (NASB)

If your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; it is better for you to enter life crippled or lame, than to have two hands or two feet and be cast into the eternal fire.

but this present earth is destroyed.

Rev 21:1 (NASB)

Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea.

Simple logic dictates that hell cannot be on this earth.

Please stop simply quoting Revelations, and explain how you use this scripture to back up your claim, and please also answer my argument (which disproves your claim!).