LGBT March on D.C. today

[amor]

The larger point I wanted to convey was that the point of the March was to demand civil rights for lesbians, gays, bisexuals, and transsexuals.

What civil rights do they believe they don't already have?

In the United States , for the most part, they can't marry or form legal civil partnerships, as they can in much of Europe. In many parts of the world they face discrimination in xchools colleges and the workplace as well as violence sometimes fatal (as in the case of the aforementioned Harvey Milk - whose "day" was according to wikipedia approved by the governator today) on the streets at the hands of thugs. In Iran and Saudi Arabia they can be murdered by the state.

[Matthitjah]

The larger point I wanted to convey was that the point of the March was to demand civil rights for lesbians, gays, bisexuals, and transsexuals.

What civil rights do they believe they don't already have?

In the United States , for the most part, they can't marry or form legal civil partnerships, as they can in much of Europe. In many parts of the world they face discrimination in xchools colleges and the workplace as well as violence sometimes fatal (as in the case of the aforementioned Harvey Milk - whose "day" was according to wikipedia approved by the governator today) on the streets at the hands of thugs. In Iran and Saudi Arabia they can be murdered by the state.

Amor,

Is Marriage a civil right according to God?

As Christians should we promote unrighteous lifestyle choices?

I don't know about you but my Marriage isn't based on any supposed right that man instituted. It's a covenant.

Peace,

Dave

[kross]

Marriage is NOT a civil right.

People who choose an aberrant lifestyle have to expect they will find most folks are not supportive.

I was recently discussing the difference between Christianity and other religions when it was pointed out that the difference is that Christianity values the individual.

The fact is, marriage is a civil right. It is licensed and controlled by the civil authorities. It is a right in this nation afforded to those of leagal age.

[kross]

The larger point I wanted to convey was that the point of the March was to demand civil rights for lesbians, gays, bisexuals, and transsexuals.

What civil rights do they believe they don't already have?

In the United States , for the most part, they can't marry or form legal civil partnerships, as they can in much of Europe. In many parts of the world they face discrimination in xchools colleges and the workplace as well as violence sometimes fatal (as in the case of the aforementioned Harvey Milk - whose "day" was according to wikipedia approved by the governator today) on the streets at the hands of thugs. In Iran and Saudi Arabia they can be murdered by the state.

Amor,

Is Marriage a civil right according to God?

As Christians should we promote unrighteous lifestyle choices?

I don't know about you but my Marriage isn't based on any supposed right that man instituted. It's a covenant.

Peace,

Dave

Why is allowing equal rights to someone that are allowed for others "Promoting" it? I do not promote smoking cigarettes, but I believe you have the right to use them. I do not promote any form of sin, but I believe you have the same right to sin as anybody.

[kross]

Grace to you,

Christians fail to respect homosexuals.

God is not a respector of persons or lifestyles.

He has called all men every where to repentance.

Please explain your above comment and stop painting all of us with a broad brush stroke.

Also please explain how making specific new laws that guarentee rights for a lifestyle choice is going to guarentee respect. There are already laws that cover what it i that these folks are asking for, there is equal protection under the law for everyone one in the U.S. and in certain cases as evidenced by hate laws there is supra-equal protection for some particular groups.

Peace,

Dave

As I pointed out to someone else, it doesn't say ALL CHRISTIANS. If you need to add the word SOME , then do so. However, since I pointed to those who try to reach the homosexual community with love and respect, it is obvious that it is not an all inclusive statement.

Fighting to keep a people from not being able to enjoy the same rights as other people is disrespectful of that other people. It is discrimination and it is wrong. THey want to marry. They want the right to transfer spousal priveledge. The rights of inheritance and social security and all the other rights that many are fighting to keep only for those who choose a particular life style. They want to be treated equal as human beings and citizens of this country and of this world. They want the right to fight and die for their country without prejudice.

Yes, homosexuality is a sin. Those trapped in this addictive sin need JESUS. No, the church should never marry them or ordain them, or in anyway recognize them as married.

Sorry if you do not agree. Spend some time with the homosexual community and tell me what you feel they feel is the Christian attitude towards them. I have been there amoungst them. The barrier placed between those that need JESUS and thier savior is massive. If you think this is a good thing...

I ask all here to cease talking to this person until they can and do address others decently. This is a perfect example of the breakdown of public civility, manners and decorum.

Be well all and God Bless you.

I have re-read what I wrote and can not find anything that would have stirred up so much ire. Could you point to how what I have written has offended that I might properly apologize for it?

[kross]

I will stick to what I stated. They carry those signs as a result of their perception of how the Christian community has treated them. Since perception is reallity, it would seem you would seek to know why they perceive things to be so. As for me, I have spent enough time with members of the homosexual community to know why they carry those signs. I have seen enough from SOME Christians to know why they look upon all us us with distrust.

[OneLight]

I will stick to what I stated. They carry those signs as a result of their perception of how the Christian community has treated them. Since perception is reallity, it would seem you would seek to know why they perceive things to be so. As for me, I have spent enough time with members of the homosexual community to know why they carry those signs. I have seen enough from SOME Christians to know why they look upon all us us with distrust.

What do you think they see when they read scripture about Sodom and Gomorrah or Romans 1? What do you think about those who call themselves Homosexual Christians, having their own churches?

[Matthitjah]

I will stick to what I stated. They carry those signs as a result of their perception of how the Christian community has treated them. Since perception is reallity, it would seem you would seek to know why they perceive things to be so. As for me, I have spent enough time with members of the homosexual community to know why they carry those signs. I have seen enough from SOME Christians to know why they look upon all us us with distrust.

What do you think they see when they read scripture about Sodom and Gomorrah or Romans 1? What do you think about those who call themselves Homosexual Christians, having their own churches?

Well brother............. Obviously we should re-write the Bible and take out the offensive stuff and never ever talk about it again.

That's the whole point of my observations and the sign that those folks were carrying.

No thanks. I'll keep speaking forth the truth and letting God convict and save souls.

[Sir Gareth]

As a beliver of Christ i despise their sin, but still love the sinner. I do believe that at times Christians do not react to sinners in a very Christ like way, while we should by no means condone or support their lifestyle-and i would be more than happy to tell any homosexual that what they are doing is wrong-i still think we need to react lovingly toward them.

On the flip side though sometimes no matter how nicely something is put, telling someone their wrong will tick them off, afterall no one wants to think that what they do is wrong. All the same we still have a duty to spread the true message no matter how many picket signs we inspire people to write.

[Smalcald]

I do believe that people who are gay deserve equal employment protections and should be free from hate and harassment. We don't fire people for being divorced anymore, we don't refuse to rent to people who want to fornicate and shake up outside of marriage anymore, so yes they do deserve equal protection under the law.

But marriage IS equal, any gay person can get married, they just do not have the right to marry another person of the same sex. Just like a man who does not have 20/20 vision does not have the right to drive a car without corrective lenses. OR consider the fact that males cannot get pregnant, maybe the government should invest resources in finding out a way that we could get pregnant as it is not equal that we can't, and it is unfair and unjust. Marriage is defined as something between a man and women and all men and women in the US can avail themselves of marriage regardless of their race or sexual desires and practices. What they don't have the right to do is change the definition of marriage. Marriage needs a husband and a wife, who is what in a gay union?

Now if they wish to have civil contracts letting them live with legal protections I would not have a problem with that, but that is not what they want.

I have given up on the issue personally, its coming it is just a matter of time, so our question is how do we handle it when it is fully here (we already have several states with FULL marriage rights), and how do we want to go down on this issue?

I say we make our opinion known and go about our business, it is time to shake the dust from our

feet on this one.