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[Guest shiloh357]

I have to say that I agree. Just as there is an earthly and a spiritual Jerusalem. So, too, is there an earthly Jew and a spiritual Jew.

I am a spiritual Jew.

Any Jewish believer is both, techically, but they are called to forsake the earthly for the spiritual.

I know Shiloh is gonna beat me over the head for that one, but it is the gospel-truth.

[Botz]

Botz...

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You know sometimes one can handle the 'plain truth' in such a way as to distort the spirit of love with which we should deliver it to a lost world...and we should never..never...NEVER forget...that we were once lost... but praise G-d.. have now been found. 

idied2...

What was this then?

Mt 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, "Brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

Mt 12:34 Brood of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.

Mt 23:33 Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell?

Lu 3:7 Then he said to the multitudes that came out to be baptized by him, "Brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

If your own children were headed with a crowd of people blindly pushing forward into a giant fired furnace where those who were entering were being burned. Would you casualy and kindly try to explain to them what was ahead. Hardly. You would grab them and pull them aside first. And those who were leading your children you would scold.

In CHRIST JESUS   

Dear idied2...Jesus chastized His fellow Jews, Pharisees,Scribes,Lawyers and guys who were meant to set an example to the rest of the people in very strong terms because they needed to be blasted out of their state of hypocrisy and pride.

I would say as a Jew amongst His own people and as the Son of G-d He had the unique right as one amongst 'family' to speak to them in the graphic imagery that He used....this in no way sets a precedent for the way the rest of us can justify hitting someone with the Gospel rather than presenting them with it.

Notwithstanding every divine encounter warrants an individual response on our behalf sometimes firmer and more earnest than others...or again patient and forgiving as we seek to win people to Christ that we see on a daily or regular basis watering everything with prayer.

Again I would stress that SOMETIMES we distort the truth of the Gospel by our lack of unfeigned love...and I will go further and say that this has been especially true of the bulk of the Christian Church over the last 1600 years and their unremitting persecution of the Jewish people...and their unsympathetic approach to presenting them with the Gospel of their Jewish Messiah Yeshua.

Praise G-d things are changing and much of the Church is beginning to wake up to their latent anti-Semitism and the hard hard way they have acted towards the brethren of the L-rd...sometimes it seems so slow...but at least we are beginning to understand.

[One Way]

I have to say that I agree.  Just as there is an earthly and a spiritual Jerusalem. So, too, is there an earthly Jew and a spiritual Jew.

I am a spiritual Jew.

Any Jewish believer is both, techically, but they are called to forsake the earthly for the spiritual.

I know Shiloh is gonna beat me over the head for that one, but it is the gospel-truth.

Oh boy....

let me guess...

Romans 2:28-29?

You are not a spiritual jew. There is no such thing.

Not only that passage, but this one also:

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

I am Abraham's seed since I am Christ's. Why does this offend you?

And, since you are now in Christ, why do you cling to your earthly lineage with such fervor?

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

[Guest shiloh357]

Dear idied2...Jesus chastized His fellow Jews, Pharisees,Scribes,Lawyers and guys who were meant to set an example to the rest of the people in very strong terms because they needed to be blasted out of their state of hypocrisy and pride.

I would say as a Jew amongst His own people and as the Son of G-d He had the unique right as one amongst 'family' to speak to them in the graphic imagery that He used....this in no way sets a precedent for the way the rest of us can justify hitting someone with the Gospel rather than presenting them with it.

Notwithstanding every divine encounter warrants an individual response on our behalf sometimes firmer and more earnest than others...or again patient and forgiving as we seek to win people to Christ that we see on a daily or regular basis watering everything with prayer.

Again I would stress that SOMETIMES we distort the truth of the Gospel by our lack of unfeigned love...and I will go further and say that this has been especially true of the bulk of the Christian Church over the last 1600 years and their unremitting persecution of the Jewish people...and their unsympathetic approach to presenting them with the Gospel of their Jewish Messiah Yeshua.

Praise G-d things are changing and much of the Church is beginning to wake up to their latent anti-Semitism and the hard hard way they have acted towards the brethren of the L-rd...sometimes it seems so slow...but at least we are beginning to understand.

Right on, Botz!!

[angels4u]

Many Jewish people have not been given the opportunity to recieve Jesus. Many have not heard the gospel. They cannot reject what Christians withhold from them.

Shiloh, this is very true, do you think that the people who never had chance to accept Jesus as their Savior have to be saved by keeping the law and making sacrifices? ( Nobody is able to do that)

In Hebrews it talks about all the faith of the saints before us,they were saved through faith.....hmm tricky question isn't it?

Do you have any answers?

Thanks, Angels

[stevehut]

do you think that the people who never had chance to accept Jesus as their Savior...

In our modern day of 1000 cable channels and jet travel, who would this be??

[Guest yod]

let me guess...Romans 2:28-29? You are not a spiritual jew. There is no such thing.

Not only that passage, but this one also:

Let's deal with that one first because it is the subject of another thread called out of context

Paul is speaking only to jews in that verse. He is not in any way saying that gentiles become "true jews"

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

I am Abraham's seed since I am Christ's. Why does this offend you?

Why would that offend me? The Bible does say that. This is not the same thing as being a jew though. That speaks of the physical seed of Abraham.

And yes, in Christ their is no favoritism of position but there are different roles. I assume you are either male or female, right?

And, since you are now in Christ, why do you cling to your earthly lineage with such fervor?.

I am not jewish.....I just can't stand to see the Word of God being misinterpreted.

[One Way]

Paul is speaking only to jews in that verse. He is not in any way saying that gentiles become "true jews"

Rom 1:7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

That sure sounds like all of the saints, jew and gentile, to me.

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

I am Abraham's seed since I am Christ's. Why does this offend you?

Why would that offend me? The Bible does say that. This is not the same thing as being a jew though. That speaks of the physical seed of Abraham.

And yes, in Christ their is no favoritism of position but there are different roles. I assume you are either male or female, right?

And what "role" does a jewish believer have that a gentile believer does not?

Blessings...

[angels4u]

Hey, I'm a true Jew, my forefather and mother were Adam and Eve, doesn't that make us one happy big family??

Who's cooking supper today???

Angels

[stevehut]

1- I'm a true Jew, my forefather and mother were Adam and Eve

2- Who's cooking supper today???