rapture

[givennewname]

i see many depictions of the rapture where babies are taken up in the rapture. children have inherited the sin nature, they are innocent rather than sinless, so why should they be taken up as believers? Are they included under the parent's faith??

[Hunterpoet]

I believe the key word here is innocent.

Although they have inherited a sin nature, while still in infancy they are incapable of choosing to be disobedient and would therefore have no sin on their soul.

I cannot believe that God would place the innocent in among the guilty.

[cmason531]

My personal conviction is that thier is an age of accountablity. So I believe that babies will be raptured up. Now who is to judge the "age of accountability" that will be up to only God himself, for I do not know the minds of every human being.

Jeremiah1five stats:

I have of late come to the conclusion in my studies that there is no rapture of the Church revealed as doctrine in Scripture.

We will go together with Israel through the Great Tribulation as revealed in Scripture.

There is no "secret rapture." There are no "two comings" of the Lord Jesus Christ.

There is only one coming of the Lord Jesus Christ that is described in Scripture that we believers await.

Both Church and Israel.

Just curious jeremiah, where did you come up with this conclusion?

[wyguy]

It is my understanding that as all are under the Law until one accepts Christ, those unsaved will be judged by the Law. And as the Bible says, where there is no Law, there is no sin. If one is not old enough to understand, or is mentally disabled, they are not accountable to the Law, and as they are not able to make a choice between accepting or rejecting Christ, then they are under God's mercy and grace - and will indeed be saved.

And think about it...does it line up with God's character to send babies to hell simply because they cannot understand? Of course not. When David's infant son died, he said, "he cannot come back to me, but I will go to him."

Edited November 28, 2009 by wyguy

[BFP]

I think that a believers infant is different from a non believers infant. I think the parents are responsible for the spiritual condition of thier offspring. A Christian family would pray God's favor on thier children, therefore speaking for them spiritually, until they are old enough to make a choice.

[MorningGlory]

It is my understanding that as all are under the Law until one accepts Christ, those unsaved will be judged by the Law. And as the Bible says, where there is no Law, there is no sin. If one is not old enough to understand, or is mentally disabled, they are not accountable to the Law, and as they are not able to make a choice between accepting or rejecting Christ, then they are under God's mercy and grace - and will indeed be saved.

And think about it...does it line up with God's character to send babies to hell simply because they cannot understand? Of course not. When David's infant son died, he said, "he cannot come back to me, but I will go to him."

No, not at all. I believe He is merciful and just and would not send helpless infants to hell.

[givennewname]

it is my understanding that even though they are innocent, they are capable of rebellion... I have three kids and i know! they can swing from the chandelier if given a chance. Some children are capable of murders...

In Jeremiah, God tells him that he is appointed even before he is born, so is John the baptist who is said to jump in joy in his mother's womb. I believe that the children are already appointed from before the creation of the world, some to be saved, some not.

[~Shalhevet~]

What is the age of accountability?

[EricH]

The scriptures do not address this directly. We can trust in God's character that He will do the absolute right and best thing

[kross]

i see many depictions of the rapture where babies are taken up in the rapture. children have inherited the sin nature, they are innocent rather than sinless, so why should they be taken up as believers? Are they included under the parent's faith??

You have declared that they are innocent, why would GOD declare them guilty?