Are Demons Fallen Angels?

[kross]

After reading some of the replies, I want to add that the line of Seth was called godly because they were set apart for a pure spiritual use. Just because they did not stay that way doesn't negate the fact they were a "godly" line.

And again, at no place in Scipture is there any indication that angels, be it before or after the resurrection, could marry, were given in marriage, or had the ability to engage in sexual relations with each other. Again, it is God who created marriage, and ordained that sex is only for marriage. And as the Bible says clearly, angels do not marry, (and again, no where in the Bible does it ever say they ever did or could) there was no reason whatsoever for God to create angels with sexual organs.

As God is called male, and the Holy Spirit as well, are you led to believe they both have male sexual organs?

The reason they are called "male" in because the Bible uses anthropomorphisms - words used to describe God and angels in human like terms, for easier understanding and to show they are personal.

I think you are wrong. Jude refers to them and calls them angels. (of course you can sy Jude is speaking of something else. Who can argue?)

[Ricklynn]

Thank you, This is a great topic and Im glad you made this thread.

I often wonder why God inspired the writers to include this in the bible. I agree with some answers here.

I very much strugel with this ,

Gen 6. sons of God, Woman of Men

And Job 1:6 sons of God with satan the devil

Daniel 4:23 Watchman(angels, or sons of god)

I read some very informative info recently with a explantion I really do agree with. How else do you explaine Gen 6 Sons of God and woman and then men of renoun, Giants. So far in 20 years of reading I cant find any other explanation but this,

Sons of God were Gods watchman of the earth and fell from there first estate(guarding the earth) (see book of Enoch).

These angels had power to manifest in human form just as angles today manifest in human form.(cant amagine why)

All the off spring giants/nephulim died in the flood and today are demons. These dead souls dont qualify for Gods same Christ Redemption of Man.

Scripture very clearly discribes demon spirits and devil spirits as 2 different entities.

Mary had 7 devils. Others had demons or posession of.

OK Im done. Thank you for leting me butt in.....Rick

Edited December 6, 2009 by Ricklynn

[Bold Believer]

The word Nephilim means tyrants. It's another one of those words/terms which really isn't all that special, but bad theologians make it special, like 'great tribulation.' Angels are neuter beings, incapable of reproduction.

Demons are angels which follow Satan, doing his desires and giving seeming credence to false gods. It is written that all the gods of the Gentiles are demons. It is the demonic spirits that perform the false miracles of these no-gods-at-all.

Like Satan himself, these angels were created to their purpose. They were never holy. They were eventually cast out of heaven, but they serve a purpose in the plan of God.

[kross]

Thank you, This is a great topic and Im glad you made this thread.

I often wonder why God inspired the writers to include this in the bible. I agree with some answers here.

I very much strugel with this ,

Gen 6. sons of God, Woman of Men

And Job 1:6 sons of God with satan the devil

Daniel 4:23 Watchman(angels, or sons of god)

I read some very informative info recently with a explantion I really do agree with. How else do you explaine Gen 6 Sons of God and woman and then men of renoun, Giants. So far in 20 years of reading I cant find any other explanation but this,

Sons of God were Gods watchman of the earth and fell from there first estate(guarding the earth) (see book of Enoch).

These angels had power to manifest in human form just as angles today manifest in human form.(cant amagine why)

All the off spring giants/nephulim died in the flood and today are demons. These dead souls dont qualify for Gods same Christ Redemption of Man.

Scripture very clearly discribes demon spirits and devil spirits as 2 different entities.

Mary had 7 devils. Others had demons or posession of.

OK Im done. Thank you for leting me butt in.....Rick

It sounds as good as any thing. One thing, GEN 6 states there are these giants before and after the flood. Goliath was reported to be one and he had 4 brothers. To my knowledge, that was all of them that were around after the flood.

[other one]

Some people think they are fallen angels, and others think that they are the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim (cross between fallen angels and daughters of Adam) that died in the flood.

Personally I think they are the spirits of the Nephilim, but I would never take you where I had to go to understand that.

I, personally, would reject this idea due mostly to the shere numbers of demons that I am certain are in the world. There are always demons around and I do not think there were that many Nephilim. (GOD didn't put up with the whole angel/human thing very long.)

I believe he put up with it for a little over a thousand years before the flood, and for some time after. It took that long to mess up the genetic bloodlines of most of the world before the flood, and afterward they restarted and moved into the land of Canaan among others.

Those people that Joshua and the others reported that they said made them look like grasshoppers in comparing were of the giants. Goliath and his 4 brothers were of that same group.

If you talk to some of the old elders of the Zuni and Navajo tribes they will tell you of the greetings of the Indian tribes of holding up their right hand with the fingers spread apart when you come in peace so the person could count their fingers..... Nephilim have six fingers and toes from what is written about them.

While you won't find those details in the Bible, you will see references to the teachings of Enoch and Jasher within scripture, so one might want to give a bit of a look at these teachings even though they are not considered the inspired word of God. The New York Times is not the word of God either, but it still has quite a bit of truth in it.

I find it odd that every single civilization that has left any records have reported the so called gods coming to earth and procreating with humans. From the Chinese, to Sumerians, To Egyptians, To the Babylonians to Native North Americans and the Maya, Aztec and several other tribes in central and southern north America. And Paul tells us that those things they were sacrificing to were demons. Many of the Greek and Roman Gods were part human.

So I don't see any wonder that Genesis talks of the sons of God moving out of their realm and coming here to take wives.

The whole world agrees with it in one way or another. the Non Biblical sources from the Sumerians, Greeks, Romans, Babylonians Egyptians and others are just the same stories from the dark sides perspective.

[Fez]

Can someone please supply me with coherent and relevant scripture to the question? I have not seen either yet, just opinions, and scripture is where we should be going!

Other than Gen 6:4 and Jude 1:6, there is little written about the angels who left their proper place. But Jude does say they are Angels.

Thank you Kross, so most of the wierd direction this post has taken on is conjecture and opinion? I really think that scripture is where we should be.

Accordingly, I am outta here!

Blessings

[other one]

Can someone please supply me with coherent and relevant scripture to the question? I have not seen either yet, just opinions, and scripture is where we should be going!

Other than Gen 6:4 and Jude 1:6, there is little written about the angels who left their proper place. But Jude does say they are Angels.

Thank you Kross, so most of the wierd direction this post has taken on is conjecture and opinion? I really think that scripture is where we should be.

Accordingly, I am outta here!

Blessings

Fez, the Bible isn't a complete history of the whole world. When the Bible refers to the teachings of Enoch and the book of Jasher, it is telling us that there are other written or spoken collections of knowledge that we might want to refer to for details of some things. The Bible has a definite purpose and that would be a very long thread, however there is other written bodies of knowledge that do give a bit of detail of things. And with some of these entities (Apollo specifically mentioned) about to interface with us again, one might want to understand a bit more detail of who this entity is and why we can only rely of God for protection from him. And even more important from my perspective that Jesus has told us that during the period of time that Revelation Chapter thirteen takes place that he has decided to throw us under the bus so to speak, and we need to know that we can't deal with this thing on this side of eternity. All will be well in the end, but we need to know what's on the way so that we don't loose heart and think we've lost and give up.

[mizzdy]

The word Nephilim means tyrants. It's another one of those words/terms which really isn't all that special, but bad theologians make it special, like 'great tribulation.' Angels are neuter beings, incapable of reproduction.

Demons are angels which follow Satan, doing his desires and giving seeming credence to false gods. It is written that all the gods of the Gentiles are demons. It is the demonic spirits that perform the false miracles of these no-gods-at-all.

Like Satan himself, these angels were created to their purpose. They were never holy. They were eventually cast out of heaven, but they serve a purpose in the plan of God.

Brown-Driver-Brigg's

נפל / נפיל

nephı̂yl / nephil

BDB Definition:

1) giants, the Nephilim

Part of Speech: noun masculine

Strongs

H5303

נפל נפיל

nephı̂yl nephil

nef-eel', nef-eel'

From H5307; properly, a feller, that is, a bully or tyrant: - giant.

The only other occurance for this word is in Numbers 13:33 which is refering to the sons of Anak which are the giants also. So if these Nephilim were just tyrants why use this particular word? and only for those in Gen. 6? Egypt was described as a tyrant, Herod was too but the writers of the scriptures didn't use nephilim. Honestly no one knows what the angels are capable of do we? We don't know if they can reproduce do we, scripture doesn't say. We only know that there is no marriage after the resurrection.

[mizzdy]

After reading some of the replies, I want to add that the line of Seth was called godly because they were set apart for a pure spiritual use. Just because they did not stay that way doesn't negate the fact they were a "godly" line.

And again, at no place in Scipture is there any indication that angels, be it before or after the resurrection, could marry, were given in marriage, or had the ability to engage in sexual relations with each other. Again, it is God who created marriage, and ordained that sex is only for marriage. And as the Bible says clearly, angels do not marry, (and again, no where in the Bible does it ever say they ever did or could) there was no reason whatsoever for God to create angels with sexual organs.

As God is called male, and the Holy Spirit as well, are you led to believe they both have male sexual organs?

The reason they are called "male" in because the Bible uses anthropomorphisms - words used to describe God and angels in human like terms, for easier understanding and to show they are personal.

Please show me in scriptures where Seths line was set aside for spiritual use. Did you even read the link? Theres no where in scripture that says they don't either except in Gen. and to me its clear, if you see it differently then so be it. God created us to be together as in one just as He and His Son are one, do you think its any different for the angels? When the angels take on human form they eat right? gotta have a stomache in order for the food to go somewhere. We do not know the mind of God well enough to make that decision as if he created angels with sexual organs or not, heck no one can even agree if God has a body or not! Some idea of a godly line doesn't sit right with scriptures either since the only ones that He has or ever did set apart are the Israelites.

[wyguy]

After reading some of the replies, I want to add that the line of Seth was called godly because they were set apart for a pure spiritual use. Just because they did not stay that way doesn't negate the fact they were a "godly" line.

And again, at no place in Scipture is there any indication that angels, be it before or after the resurrection, could marry, were given in marriage, or had the ability to engage in sexual relations with each other. Again, it is God who created marriage, and ordained that sex is only for marriage. And as the Bible says clearly, angels do not marry, (and again, no where in the Bible does it ever say they ever did or could) there was no reason whatsoever for God to create angels with sexual organs.

As God is called male, and the Holy Spirit as well, are you led to believe they both have male sexual organs?

The reason they are called "male" in because the Bible uses anthropomorphisms - words used to describe God and angels in human like terms, for easier understanding and to show they are personal.

I think you are wrong. Jude refers to them and calls them angels. (of course you can sy Jude is speaking of something else. Who can argue?)

To be fair, The word "angel" is derived from the Greek word angelos, and simply means a "messenger." (1 Thessalonians 4:16.)

And again, Angels are spirits (Hebrews 1:14), and a "spirit hath not flesh and bones" (Luke 24:39). But angels can take on the "appearance of man." (Daniel 8:15; 10:16, 18.) Not that they "become" human men.

And again, as Angels do not marry, (nor does scripture even hint that they ever did, or could) there would have been no reason for God to create them with the organs needed for God ordained sex within marriage. And thus, no means to have sexual relations with human women.