Are Demons Fallen Angels?

[other one]

I think angels are angels and nephilim are the offspring of the angels. I personally have not read anything to cause me to believe that the hephilim are actually angels themselves.

I might add that I'm no expert in the subject and I really never thought to ask a demon about it, but then.... hummmm.... could you believe one anyway?

I am one that believes that the angels mixed with humans.

Also, I lean more on the idea that demons were here before Adam.

I've not seen anything in scripture that would lead me to that.

let me stress that I wrote "I lean" to emphasis how my belief isn't conclusive.

To be honest, I've never heard nor thought that demons were from the Nephilim.

That sounds plausible but I may have to research that a bit.

The angels were here during creation, so if the fallen ones are really demons, or demons are really something else besides the Nephilim then I would have to agree that they were pre-adamic.

I think I just don't see their presence anywhere before the flood..... but then again Genesis is pretty sketchy in pre flood history.

[exrockstar]

I think angels are angels and nephilim are the offspring of the angels. I personally have not read anything to cause me to believe that the hephilim are actually angels themselves.

I might add that I'm no expert in the subject and I really never thought to ask a demon about it, but then.... hummmm.... could you believe one anyway?

I am one that believes that the angels mixed with humans.

Also, I lean more on the idea that demons were here before Adam.

I've not seen anything in scripture that would lead me to that.

let me stress that I wrote "I lean" to emphasis how my belief isn't conclusive.

To be honest, I've never heard nor thought that demons were from the Nephilim.

That sounds plausible but I may have to research that a bit.

The angels were here during creation, so if the fallen ones are really demons, or demons are really something else besides the Nephilim then I would have to agree that they were pre-adamic.

I think I just don't see their presence anywhere before the flood..... but then again Genesis is pretty sketchy in pre flood history.

when the angels saw the creation of the universe they shouted out with joy.

why? Maybe because they had a purpose.

Was their purpose to rule gravel and rocks?

"YAY I get to rule over this mud!"

now we're touching a topic that will make the closed minded Christian squirm.

[other one]

I think angels are angels and nephilim are the offspring of the angels. I personally have not read anything to cause me to believe that the hephilim are actually angels themselves.

I might add that I'm no expert in the subject and I really never thought to ask a demon about it, but then.... hummmm.... could you believe one anyway?

I am one that believes that the angels mixed with humans.

Also, I lean more on the idea that demons were here before Adam.

I've not seen anything in scripture that would lead me to that.

let me stress that I wrote "I lean" to emphasis how my belief isn't conclusive.

To be honest, I've never heard nor thought that demons were from the Nephilim.

That sounds plausible but I may have to research that a bit.

The angels were here during creation, so if the fallen ones are really demons, or demons are really something else besides the Nephilim then I would have to agree that they were pre-adamic.

I think I just don't see their presence anywhere before the flood..... but then again Genesis is pretty sketchy in pre flood history.

when the angels saw the creation of the universe they shouted out with joy.

why? Maybe because they had a purpose.

Was their purpose to rule gravel and rocks?

"YAY I get to rule over this mud!"

now we're touching a topic that will make the closed minded Christian squirm.

It doesn't make me squirm, just speculate. I still don't see demons in pre adam, but I do see them in other places that are referenced in the Bible. The word speaks of the teachings of Enoch, and also the book of Jasher. While I would not think to include either of them in the Holy Bible, neither whould I the New York Times...... but I do read a lot that I can accept as reality in the New York Times...... also in the first two books of Enoch and the book of Jasher.

Many people would disagree, but we all have our personal outlooks.

[mizzdy]

I think angels are angels and nephilim are the offspring of the angels. I personally have not read anything to cause me to believe that the hephilim are actually angels themselves.

I might add that I'm no expert in the subject and I really never thought to ask a demon about it, but then.... hummmm.... could you believe one anyway?

I am one that believes that the angels mixed with humans.

Also, I lean more on the idea that demons were here before Adam.

I've not seen anything in scripture that would lead me to that.

let me stress that I wrote "I lean" to emphasis how my belief isn't conclusive.

To be honest, I've never heard nor thought that demons were from the Nephilim.

That sounds plausible but I may have to research that a bit.

The angels were here during creation, so if the fallen ones are really demons, or demons are really something else besides the Nephilim then I would have to agree that they were pre-adamic.

I think I just don't see their presence anywhere before the flood..... but then again Genesis is pretty sketchy in pre flood history.

when the angels saw the creation of the universe they shouted out with joy.

why? Maybe because they had a purpose.

Was their purpose to rule gravel and rocks?

"YAY I get to rule over this mud!"

now we're touching a topic that will make the closed minded Christian squirm.

Seems you may be suggesting that the angels or some of them were given charge over the creation even before Adam was created? Theres no scriptural support for that but if we want to speculate.... I have thought that could be the case myself.

[exrockstar]

Seems you may be suggesting that the angels or some of them were given charge over the creation even before Adam was created? Theres no scriptural support for that but if we want to speculate.... I have thought that could be the case myself.

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edited: you know there is going to be a time in the future when the presence of God is going to be accepted by all living things.

A teacher will one day tell a class of 6 year olds that "once upon a time people thought they came from apes and this was taught in school."

a little kid would then say "there's no way someone can tell me that I came from an ape! It's obvious that we are not apes."

all of this to say that there are indicators in scripture and there is physical evidence that our "speculation" is plausible.

Angels are extremely intelligent so why would they shout when God created the universe. They know God creates. I couldn't conclude that God created rocks, mud and space for them.

[mizzdy]

all of this to say that there are indicators in scripture and there is physical evidence that our "speculation" is plausible.

This is not a new 'speculation' in my house just to let you know. Could you share your evidence, pming would work also since taking this thread in that direction may just get it closed.

[other one]

all of this to say that there are indicators in scripture and there is physical evidence that our "speculation" is plausible.

This is not a new 'speculation' in my house just to let you know. Could you share your evidence, pming would work also since taking this thread in that direction may just get it closed.

Well, share the PM's with the rest of us...... or that other route might work.

[exrockstar]

all of this to say that there are indicators in scripture and there is physical evidence that our "speculation" is plausible.

This is not a new 'speculation' in my house just to let you know. Could you share your evidence, pming would work also since taking this thread in that direction may just get it closed.

Well, share the PM's with the rest of us...... or that other route might work.

ha ha. well, it'll be hard to get a conversation going in PM's. Besides I have some talking points that may interest you.

We may have to begin a thread on one of these sub pages or in "controversial topics."

I just hope that we have good points going on and not have people contributing nothing but "wrong wrong wrong...." and not adding any insight.

I do want to make a point about the origins of demons (not that I know for certain) but we may have to go under a different forum here to proceed.

[JCISGD]

What are the 1/3 of angels cast out of heaven with Satan doing if they are not now demons following the orders of him?

[exrockstar]

What are the 1/3 of angels cast out of heaven with Satan doing if they are not now demons following the orders of him?

some are on earth; some elsewhere