How do we live by the Spirit?

[Seeker100]

Seeker - there are two aspects of a persons walk in life - pre Salvation , post Salvation.

There is a huge difference.

Just because one believes in God doesn't equate to being led by the Holy Spirit - I'm sure the others here have already mentioned that.

The Holy Spirit is love. He who walks in love is lead by the Spirit.

The difference between pre Salvation and post Salvation is that before salvation the individual cannot see Jesus in others. After Salvation the Holy Spirit manifests Himself in a special way so that the individual can serve Jesus in everyone.

[OneLight]

Jesus is not in every person on earth. Show me scripture that states this. If it your personal doctrine that is outside of the bible, state so please. Also, please provide scripture that tells us that the Holy Spirit guides a unbelievers outside of convicting them of their sins. I will be interested to see what scripture you use to back your beliefs.

If an atheist, or satanist does something kind, are they also being guided by the Holy Spirit?

In Him,

Alan

My doctrine is the bible. How can one leave sin and not serve Jesus in everyone they meet. Jesus is love.

I never said that. I said that Jesus is not in every person on earth. When we serve the Lord with what He has for us to do, we do it onto Him, obeying Him. That does not mean that Jesus is in the person we are serving if they are not a Christian.

In this next passage it is obviously about non-Christians who served God being saved as they did not know that Jesus is in everyone. We Christians know this. (or at least we should).

Matthew25:31-46

31"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'

37"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'

40"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'

41"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'

44"They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'

45"He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'

46"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."

The Holy Spirit of course convicts anyone of their sins. His voice is in all of us.

Maybe it is the terminology you use that does not sound right. The Holy Spirit is not in a person when He convicts them of sin. It is only when a person accepts Jesus Christ that He places the Holy Spirit in them.

If an athiest or a satanist does something for love then what they do at that moment is for God and for that moment they are not athiest or satanist.

I could not disagree any stronger with your statement. You are assuming that every single good deed done is someone doing it for GOd. Scripture does not back this up anywhere. Your misunderstanding of Matthew 25 proves this. Yet, let me ask you again ... if a person feeds the hungry, but never accepts Jesus, does this person enter into His rest after they die?

To help you with your coding, when trying to quote someone, the beginning quote does not the "/". The "/" is for the closing of the quote.

[OneLight]

Seeker - there are two aspects of a persons walk in life - pre Salvation , post Salvation.

There is a huge difference.

Just because one believes in God doesn't equate to being led by the Holy Spirit - I'm sure the others here have already mentioned that.

The Holy Spirit is love. He who walks in love is lead by the Spirit.

The difference between pre Salvation and post Salvation is that before salvation the individual cannot see Jesus in others. After Salvation the Holy Spirit manifests Himself in a special way so that the individual can serve Jesus in everyone.

Pardon me for asking a question in a post directed to another, but do you realize there are different kinds of love? The love that comes from God can only be used by one who is His. The world has their own love, which is not the same as the love God gives a Christian upon salvation. I suggest you study the different loves.

[Guest HIS girl]

Seeker - there are two aspects of a persons walk in life - pre Salvation , post Salvation.

There is a huge difference.

Just because one believes in God doesn't equate to being led by the Holy Spirit - I'm sure the others here have already mentioned that.

The Holy Spirit is love. He who walks in love is lead by the Spirit.

The difference between pre Salvation and post Salvation is that before salvation the individual cannot see Jesus in others. After Salvation the Holy Spirit manifests Himself in a special way so that the individual can serve Jesus in everyone.

I want to make sure I am getting you right -

You say you walked with the Holy Spirit while not knowing Jesus was God - you loved God therefore you were walking with the Holy Spirit?

I just want to say Seeker, that an intimate relationship requires a relationship with God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit - there is no seperation - it requires all 3 - as time goes by, you will "know" how the Holy Spirit "talks" to you personally but the Holy Spirit has all the characteristics of Jesus/God because they are One....

Personally I think you may be a little confused, but Seeker there are many here who are good at explaining these things like my big 'bro OneLight!

[OneLight]

Your statement is confusing. Do you believe that Non-Christians can follow God well enough to be accepted into His Kingdom?

Of course. The Kingdom of God is for them! Jesus came for them! He came for people like those and I who truly love God. Non-Christians when they truly love God find they have a problem they can't do things to God in others. Thus, Jesus solves this as He is the light of the world so that one can make his or her deeds for God. As John 3:21 says, "But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God."

Thus the Light is for non-Christians who practice the truth (follow the Spirit) so that by accepting Jesus they can serve Him in everyone they meet thus making their deeds being wrought in God.

Then your understanding of salvation is not scriptural. May I ask where your teachings are from? What church do you attend?

[Seeker100]

This is a reply to Onelight. (I am doing it this way as the quote thing does not seem to work)

There seems to be a bit of confusion on what I have written so I will write it out here in another way.

When a person comes to believe that Jesus is God that person becomes born again and the Holy Spirit indwells in them in a unique way that is different from the non-Christians.

With this unique manifestation of the Holy Ghost in the spirit of the born again Christian, the Christian is able to meet and serve Jesus in everyone. A non-Christian cannot experience this. This meeting and serving Jesus in everyone is walking in the Light. Jesus is love. He is the light of this world so that we can make our actions for God.

Without Jesus people can certainly follow the Holy Spirit. His voice guides them. People of the old testimated did this and I as a non-Christian did this. When a non-Christian walks in the Spirit a non-Christian finds a problem. Even though in their heart they are doing things for God in their acitons they have no physical fix on God in this world. Thus even when their motives are for God their physical actions are for people or things even though they intend the action for God.

Jesus solves this problem for them as He is God physically in our realm. He is God physically in our realm to be served. He is the love to be loved and the love to be served.

Thus non-Christians that follow the Spirit are attracted to Jeus being God as it allows them to serve God in their physical action as well as their motives.

It is the path of life and it is for all of us.

Edited January 20, 2010 by Seeker100

[Seeker100]

Your statement is confusing. Do you believe that Non-Christians can follow God well enough to be accepted into His Kingdom?

Of course. The Kingdom of God is for them! Jesus came for them! He came for people like those and I who truly love God. Non-Christians when they truly love God find they have a problem they can't do things to God in others. Thus, Jesus solves this as He is the light of the world so that one can make his or her deeds for God. As John 3:21 says, "But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God."

Thus the Light is for non-Christians who practice the truth (follow the Spirit) so that by accepting Jesus they can serve Him in everyone they meet thus making their deeds being wrought in God.

Then your understanding of salvation is not scriptural. May I ask where your teachings are from? What church do you attend?

Presently I am a Quaker but I learned about being born again and serving Jesus in others from Catholics and the Holy Ghost Himself.

Edited January 20, 2010 by Seeker100

[Seeker100]

Seeker - there are two aspects of a persons walk in life - pre Salvation , post Salvation.

There is a huge difference.

Just because one believes in God doesn't equate to being led by the Holy Spirit - I'm sure the others here have already mentioned that.

The Holy Spirit is love. He who walks in love is lead by the Spirit.

The difference between pre Salvation and post Salvation is that before salvation the individual cannot see Jesus in others. After Salvation the Holy Spirit manifests Himself in a special way so that the individual can serve Jesus in everyone.

I want to make sure I am getting you right -

You say you walked with the Holy Spirit while not knowing Jesus was God - you loved God therefore you were walking with the Holy Spirit?

I just want to say Seeker, that an intimate relationship requires a relationship with God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit - there is no seperation - it requires all 3 - as time goes by, you will "know" how the Holy Spirit "talks" to you personally but the Holy Spirit has all the characteristics of Jesus/God because they are One....

Personally I think you may be a little confused, but Seeker there are many here who are good at explaining these things like my big 'bro OneLight!

I am born again. I know what it is like to experience God with believing Jesus is God and when I did not believe that Jesus is God.

[OneLight]

Your statement is confusing. Do you believe that Non-Christians can follow God well enough to be accepted into His Kingdom?

Of course. The Kingdom of God is for them! Jesus came for them! He came for people like those and I who truly love God. Non-Christians when they truly love God find they have a problem they can't do things to God in others. Thus, Jesus solves this as He is the light of the world so that one can make his or her deeds for God. As John 3:21 says, "But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God."

Thus the Light is for non-Christians who practice the truth (follow the Spirit) so that by accepting Jesus they can serve Him in everyone they meet thus making their deeds being wrought in God.

Then your understanding of salvation is not scriptural. May I ask where your teachings are from? What church do you attend?

Presently I am a Quaker but I learned about being born again and serving Jesus in others from Catholics and the Holy Ghost Himself.

Thank you for replying. Some do not when asked. Can you supply scripture that specifically tells us that anyone who has rejected Christ has salvation?

In another post, you said: "This meeting and serving Jesus in everyone ...". Are you saying that Jesus is in everyone (unbeliever) or that we can serve everyone through Christ because He is in us?

[Seeker100]

Pardon me for asking a question in a post directed to another, but do you realize there are different kinds of love? The love that comes from God can only be used by one who is His. The world has their own love, which is not the same as the love God gives a Christian upon salvation. I suggest you study the different loves.

Edited January 20, 2010 by Seeker100