Bad Weather Caused By Demons

[Ovedya]

There's no way that disaster can happen without some force causing it.

Right. On earth it's called "weather." In the case of Haiti it was plate tectonics.

[~candice~]

We can't build a theology on what happened to Job. Job is one example of how God deals with those that are His. The plans that God had for Job may not be what He has for us.

God blesses some, physically protects some, and doesn't do this for others. 11 of the 12 disciples lost their lives, right?

[~candice~]

JamieLea, we have different ideas about what God's protection is . Paul was a mighty man of faith, but was martyred. Stephen also. The specific example of what happened to Job can't be used to form theology, we must take the bible as a whole. The bible as a whole suggests that while God can provide some physical protection to people at times, that this is not a guarantee. What we are guaranteed of, is His promise of eternal life, and this protection is given by God and is eternal and can't be taken from us.

The passages that proceed what happened to Job (when God is talking about Him holding up the weather etc) can be used, however once again, how do you determine whether it is God, Satan, or plate tectonics?

[OneLight]

Nature is forever changing by design. Satan is not responsible for the disasters nature brings. Man through his fall is, for Eden has been closed to him since the first sin. Can satan use nature? I have no doubt that he can. Did satan cause the disaster in Haiti? No man can prove one way or another if he did or not. Does it matter? No. If he did, what can we do about it anyway? What matters is that we keep our eyes on Christ and do His work in this world as long as we can. I refuse to live in fear that satan will suddenly destroy the area in which I live because of all the Wiccans and cults in my area. I have been placed here to do His work and am protected until the day I die.

There are teachers of the bible that see satan or a demon behind every bad thing that happens to a person, not leaving anything to nature, or the natural man which is sinful. We can not look at everything that happens in nature as an attack from satan.

[jsca777]

You say "satan wasn't the cause, but God allowed it." If you think Satan didn't cause that, then who do you say did?

I dont think anyone caused it.

Every time it rains do you think that either God or satan is causing it?

What if it rains on the day of a World Vision picnic fundraiser? Would you say satan caused it?

Every time a wind blows do you think either God or satan has caused it? Does one or the other control every single cloud and where it goes and when and where it disipates or has God created nature to function on it's own?

There's no way that disaster can happen without some force causing it. That would be ridiculous to think it just happened by coincidence. Satan is the one who went to God for permission to attack Job, then it illustrates in vs 19 that a whirl wind came upon Job's sons and killed them. It is also mentioned that Satan, the thief comes to steal, kill and destroy and that he is a murderer. It's self explanatory. Satan is the one who caused the disaster. He is behind the whirlwind.

Plate tectonics. Huge force.

Hurricane itself means god of evil. You think plate tectonics causes all these disasters?

Edited January 15, 2010 by jsca777

[7thseal]

Right. On earth it's called "weather." In the case of Haiti it was plate tectonics.

Nothing operates outside of God's control, no not the weather or plate tectonics. The bible is pretty clear that God's anger is often displayed through nature. A little further into Job he touches on the very subject.

Job 9:4 He is wise in heart, and mighty in strength: who hath hardened himself against him, and hath prospered? 5 Which removeth the mountains, and they know not: which overturneth them in his anger. 6 Which shaketh the earth out of her place, and the pillars thereof tremble.

[Ovedya]

You say "satan wasn't the cause, but God allowed it." If you think Satan didn't cause that, then who do you say did?

I dont think anyone caused it.

Every time it rains do you think that either God or satan is causing it?

What if it rains on the day of a World Vision picnic fundraiser? Would you say satan caused it?

Every time a wind blows do you think either God or satan has caused it? Does one or the other control every single cloud and where it goes and when and where it disipates or has God created nature to function on it's own?

There's no way that disaster can happen without some force causing it. That would be ridiculous to think it just happened by coincidence. Satan is the one who went to God for permission to attack Job, then it illustrates in vs 19 that a whirl wind came upon Job's sons and killed them. It is also mentioned that Satan, the thief comes to steal, kill and destroy and that he is a murderer. It's self explanatory. Satan is the one who caused the disaster. He is behind the whirlwind.

Plate tectonics. Huge force.

Hurricane itself means god of evil. You think plate tectonics causes all these disasters?

Whaaaaat???

The word "hurricane" comes from two Spanish words, one meaning "thunder" and the other meaning "wind." Where in the world do you get the idea that it means "god of evil"?

Plate tectonics causes earthquakes. The rotation of the earth causes weather, which causes various things like hurricanes, high winds, tropical storms, snow, etc. Even as a Christian how can you deny any of those facts?

[sunnier]

I think God is in control of everything that happens on this earth good and bad and he lets it happen. Otherwise he wouldn't be God. After all he is the Creator so why would he not know what's going on in the earth he created? I don't believe that just because we're christians nothing bad will ever happen to us that's living in denial not reality. Jesus himself was crucified who are we to think that we deserve to be kept safe from every evil thing on this earth? Whether it be from natural disaster, sickness, accidents, or whatever.

[MorningGlory]

I think God is in control of everything that happens on this earth good and bad and he lets it happen. Otherwise he wouldn't be God. After all he is the Creator so why would he not know what's going on in the earth he created? I don't believe that just because we're christians nothing bad will ever happen to us that's living in denial not reality. Jesus himself was crucified who are we to think that we deserve to be kept safe from every evil thing on this earth? Whether it be from natural disaster, sickness, accidents, or whatever.

I agree; the Lord promises us ETERNAL life, not a certain number of years on earth.

[~candice~]

I think God is in control of everything that happens on this earth good and bad and he lets it happen. Otherwise he wouldn't be God. After all he is the Creator so why would he not know what's going on in the earth he created? I don't believe that just because we're christians nothing bad will ever happen to us that's living in denial not reality. Jesus himself was crucified who are we to think that we deserve to be kept safe from every evil thing on this earth? Whether it be from natural disaster, sickness, accidents, or whatever.

Sure, God is in control. But there is a huge difference between His permissive will (allowing the weather to occur) and His decreetive will (changing or applying the weather in some sort of judgment).