Who here has seen?

[OneLight]

By the way, you may find this an interesting thread. It pertains to your original subject. Jesus Speaking, Has Jesus ever spoke to you?

I read your thread and greatly appreciate your referring it to me. Life changing experiences, indeed.

Yes, I too have audibly heard Jesus as well as having seen Him in a vision, and then in dreams and then once in the flesh too. Also have spoken with the Father a few times.

Christ Jesus spoke to me and taught me for nearly 3 years straight non-stop. Taught me many things, actually. Nothing new mind you, it's all in the Bible anyway. But then, you know, everyone has different understandings of it. Some things that were taught to me are very hard to see in the Bible, and I generally do not bring those subjects up unless another does or is looking for answers.

This is not to say that I know everything because I don't think I do. But, we all know where all the answers come!

Praise God, let us never stop praising God for thereby we enter into His gates!

I am afraid that I do not completely follow your statements. Are you saying that Jesus came to you in the flesh, as if you were able to touch Him? When you say that Jesus taught you for three years straight, how was this done? Was it through the Holy Spirit? You also say you spoke to the Father a few times. Was this verbally or just through prayer? You make some amazing claims and I don't want to assume that I know what you mean by them.

[Permie]

Onelight,

I am afraid that I do not completely follow your statements. Are you saying that Jesus came to you in the flesh, as if you were able to touch Him? When you say that Jesus taught you for three years straight, how was this done? Was it through the Holy Spirit? You also say you spoke to the Father a few times. Was this verbally or just through prayer? You make some amazing claims and I don't want to assume that I know what you mean by them.

You are right. These are amazing claims, and it is only just recently that I have become able to speak more freely about them, which I think you understand the hesitancy in doing this.

Some of what you have asked may take a long reply to address properly. I do plan to make a testimonial before long, and maybe answers to your questions will be shown there. For now, yes, Jesus came in the flesh. We talked and at the end of the visit we embraced and told one another I love you. There was a witness to this, and just as it is shown in the bible, it was not known immediately that that was Jesus, but only afterwards as we began to talk of what had just happened. It was an unusual event.

[Permie]

Sadly I hardly dare say it, but whilst I believe that God's Holy Spirit speaks into my heart other than by audible or visible words, the only miraculous/supernatural thing that has happened to me is to have been taken from a home where my mother refused to allow 'God' to be mentioned iand transported nto the Family of Believers.

Otherwise this stoic, grumpy old man, considers that since I cannot even approach moving a mountain my faith is less than that of a grain of mustard.

All I can do is to sit back and envy you lucky peeps having been able to thrust your hands into Christ's wounded side.

God bless you all.....Mike.

Mike, I would daresay that you just do not recognize the mountain that you have indeed moved.

That is just what I suspect (or should I say hope and trust)

I'm always juggling with the thought that so much more that we take literally may be figurative in the context that God is a SPIRIT and those that worship him must do so in like fashion.

Mike.

Amen, Mike. Amen.

[Permie]

Hey Permie~

I just read that verse you gave in a whole new way! Wow!

Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. John 8:59

Ahh, the pearls hidden in plain sight within scripture. Very cool! He "hid" Himself, and yet He went through the midst of them? Must've left them with their mouths hanging open!

Gentlewind

LOL, yes! There are many pearls. Since you liked that one, how about:

Jesus answered and said to him, "Because I said to you that I saw you under the fig tree, do you believe? You will see greater things than these."

John 1:50

Jesus was there, present with Nathanael under that fig tree, but Nathanael couldn't "see" him! At this time Jesus was as we are, in a human body, but . . . He was there, under that fig tree, unseen. How could this be?

Permie, good friend, you've done your homework! (unscriptural . . . grumble, grumble) The Spirit goes where it will.

Amen, the Spirit does.

I also wonder if anyone has experienced what Jesus said in the following verses, and which I believe applies to what occurred with Nathanael.

John 3:8

The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Edited January 19, 2010 by Permie

[nebula]

Hey Permie~

I just read that verse you gave in a whole new way! Wow!

Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. John 8:59

Ahh, the pearls hidden in plain sight within scripture. Very cool! He "hid" Himself, and yet He went through the midst of them? Must've left them with their mouths hanging open!

Gentlewind

LOL, yes! There are many pearls. Since you liked that one, how about:

Jesus answered and said to him, "Because I said to you that I saw you under the fig tree, do you believe? You will see greater things than these."

John 1:50

Jesus was there, present with Nathanael under that fig tree, but Nathanael couldn't "see" him! At this time Jesus was as we are, in a human body, but . . . He was there, under that fig tree, unseen. How could this be?

Permie, good friend, you've done your homework! (unscriptural . . . grumble, grumble) The Spirit goes where it will.

There are other ways Jesus could have seen Nathaniel.

Why are you jumping to the conclusion that Jesus must have been there physically but hidden?

[nebula]

There are, I believe, . . .

I was given a dream, . . .

Sadly I hardly dare say it, . . .

Question:

Why do the three of you always increase the post size?

[Permie]

Hey Permie~

I just read that verse you gave in a whole new way! Wow!

Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. John 8:59

Ahh, the pearls hidden in plain sight within scripture. Very cool! He "hid" Himself, and yet He went through the midst of them? Must've left them with their mouths hanging open!

Gentlewind

LOL, yes! There are many pearls. Since you liked that one, how about:

Jesus answered and said to him, "Because I said to you that I saw you under the fig tree, do you believe? You will see greater things than these."

John 1:50

Jesus was there, present with Nathanael under that fig tree, but Nathanael couldn't "see" him! At this time Jesus was as we are, in a human body, but . . . He was there, under that fig tree, unseen. How could this be?

Permie, good friend, you've done your homework! (unscriptural . . . grumble, grumble) The Spirit goes where it will.

There are other ways Jesus could have seen Nathaniel.

Why are you jumping to the conclusion that Jesus must have been there physically but hidden?

I am not saying that Jesus was there physically, but hidden. I am saying that His spirit went where He willed and saw Nathanael that way. Bi-location doesn't have to be solely physical, which isn't to say that Christ is limited to bi-location alone.

There are, I believe, . . .

I was given a dream, . . .

Sadly I hardly dare say it, . . .

Question:

Why do the three of you always increase the post size?

Out of consideration and courtesy for those who may be visually challenged and find the larger font easier to read. Such as those like myself.

This is the same reason that I put more paragraphs in than are actually necessary... it's easier on the eyes.

[nebula]

There are other ways Jesus could have seen Nathaniel.

Why are you jumping to the conclusion that Jesus must have been there physically but hidden?

I am not saying that Jesus was there physically, but hidden. I am saying that His spirit went where He willed and saw Nathanael that way. Bi-location doesn't have to be solely physical, which isn't to say that Christ is limited to bi-location alone.

And how do you know that He willed His spirit to see Nathanael.

Scripture does not say how Jesus saw Him. Again, there could have been other ways - such as a vision.

Remember, Jesus only did as his Father directed.

And what you are advocating sounds a lot like astral projection.

A lot of cults center themselves around "knowing" things like this. Some of us have had first hand knowledge and experience with such.

This is why people are wary of what you are doing here.

(I hope that is large enough for you to read?)

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

Permie,

which isn't to say that Christ is limited to bi-location alone.

Please explain and unpack this statement and thought for me.

Do you know "Messager85" who also posts here?

Peace,

Dave

[Permie]

There are other ways Jesus could have seen Nathaniel.

Why are you jumping to the conclusion that Jesus must have been there physically but hidden?

I am not saying that Jesus was there physically, but hidden. I am saying that His spirit went where He willed and saw Nathanael that way. Bi-location doesn't have to be solely physical, which isn't to say that Christ is limited to bi-location alone.

And how do you know that He willed His spirit to see Nathanael.

Scripture does not say how Jesus saw Him. Again, there could have been other ways - such as a vision.

Remember, Jesus only did as his Father directed.

Exactly! Jesus knew whom His Father had given Him. And, yes, it could have been a vision too.

And what you are advocating sounds a lot like astral projection.

A very valid concern, indeed. Satan can and does have imitations of the real.

What I am advocating is draw near to God. Make God's will our own. Enter into His gates with praise and thanksgiving.

How, I ask, can we otherwise do as Jesus said: All I do you can do also. Of course if a person decides to go about trying to steal the gifts of heaven, it will just be a cheap imitation and the gifts and fruits of the Spirit will not be manifest.

A lot of cults center themselves around "knowing" things like this. Some of us have had first hand knowledge and experience with such.

This is why people are wary of what you are doing here.

That is understandable and I do not advocate trying to develop these things. At the same time, however, God will give (keyword: give) these same things to those who are His because those gifts are then used for the glory of God and not the glory of one's self. And it is due to this that we as Christians should not shut someone down because they are experiencing the divine, celestial gifts.

It is a great wisdom to wait on the Lord regarding these matters and a great folly to try and develop them ourselves.

Being wary is a good thing, but taken to the extent that all who may have been given celestial gifts by God are demonized is also a tragedy.

(I hope that is large enough for you to read?)

LOL! Yes, it was. Thank you for putting it in isolation and not in a huge block paragraph; otherwise, I may not have even been able (wanted) to, due to eyestrain, have read all the way to the end!