George Fox

[Seeker100]

What you say here is correct. The problem that arrises sometimes is that people who call themselves Christian do not even try to obey the voice of the Lord. They just say I am saved and then live for themselves. Their is no effort on their part to obey the Lord and leave their sin. This is not the Christianity that Jesus brought to the earth.

John 15

1 "1I am the true vine, and My Father is the 2vinedresser. 2 "Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away ; and every branch that bears fruit, He aprunes it so that it may bear more fruit. 3 "3You are already bclean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4 "4Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit cof itself unless it abides in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me. 5 "I am the vine, you are the branches ; he who abides in Me and I in him, he 5bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing . 6 "If anyone does not abide in Me, he is 6thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned.

Exactly. Excellent bible verse

[Miss Elly]

Good Post. Christ came so that we could leave sin.

so, you are totally sin free in your life?

No but Christ is living in me and refining me. I am able to leave sin by serving Jesus in everyone I meet. This connection to Jesus is what lets us leave sin. We must make God King. We must put love first.

What do you mean by "leave sin"?

can you expound more please?

do you believe that we as Christians can be totally without sin while on this world, in these bodies?

We leave sin when we do the will of the Lord. We leave sin when we live our lives for love. Follow God in your heart and He will teach you how to leave sin.

We are God's workmanship. He is making us perfect if we let Him.

We are to strive for perfection and for the mark of the high calling which is in Christ Jesus. Are you judging other christians, it sounds like it. Even though they may say with words that they "sin" every day, they are just as saved as you are if they truly belong to God. God is refining and purifying them too. Perhaps they should just SAY, well I lost my temper today (isn't that a sin?) or got aggraveted with my kids (another SIN, lack of patience), and just call it ' I'm being perfected. The bible says all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. That includes George Fox. We are saved because we trusted in Jesus's death on the cross and became a new creature. We will never be without temptation to sin. But we have an advocate with the father for forgiveness. He is talking to christians in this verse. Any holiness I have is because of him. I have a long way to go.

What you say here is correct. The problem that arrises sometimes is that people who call themselves Christian do not even try to obey the voice of the Lord. They just say I am saved and then live for themselves. Their is no effort on their part to obey the Lord and leave their sin. This is not the Christianity that Jesus brought to the earth.

If you are of the fold of Jesus Christ and call him Lord, then you are my sister in Christ. I don't understand some of the choices in wording, but we'll all go to the same heaven.

[Seeker100]

LOL! Jesus blood does not clean if you are not obeying.

The inner voice is God. The inner voice is Christ. Christ is not saving you if you are running away from Him.

So you are saying that "obeying the inner voice" is what bring s salvation?

Salvation is being in union with the God. We humans were created to be vessels of the Holy Ghost. Our salvation is becoming our true selves as servants of the Lord. Jesus dies for our sin so that this union is made possible. If one does not obey the voice of the Lord however thier is no union with God. If one's life is against the inner voice of God their is no salvation.

[Seeker100]

Good Post. Christ came so that we could leave sin.

so, you are totally sin free in your life?

No but Christ is living in me and refining me. I am able to leave sin by serving Jesus in everyone I meet. This connection to Jesus is what lets us leave sin. We must make God King. We must put love first.

What do you mean by "leave sin"?

can you expound more please?

do you believe that we as Christians can be totally without sin while on this world, in these bodies?

We leave sin when we do the will of the Lord. We leave sin when we live our lives for love. Follow God in your heart and He will teach you how to leave sin.

We are God's workmanship. He is making us perfect if we let Him.

We are to strive for perfection and for the mark of the high calling which is in Christ Jesus. Are you judging other christians, it sounds like it. Even though they may say with words that they "sin" every day, they are just as saved as you are if they truly belong to God. God is refining and purifying them too. Perhaps they should just SAY, well I lost my temper today (isn't that a sin?) or got aggraveted with my kids (another SIN, lack of patience), and just call it ' I'm being perfected. The bible says all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. That includes George Fox. We are saved because we trusted in Jesus's death on the cross and became a new creature. We will never be without temptation to sin. But we have an advocate with the father for forgiveness. He is talking to christians in this verse. Any holiness I have is because of him. I have a long way to go.

What you say here is correct. The problem that arrises sometimes is that people who call themselves Christian do not even try to obey the voice of the Lord. They just say I am saved and then live for themselves. Their is no effort on their part to obey the Lord and leave their sin. This is not the Christianity that Jesus brought to the earth.

If you are of the fold of Jesus Christ and call him Lord, then you are my sister in Christ. I don't understand some of the choices in wording, but we'll all go to the same heaven.

What do you not understand?

[Matthitjah]

Oh yeah quaker's today are not even believers, they do not believe that Christ is the only path to salvation, I am not even sure they believe in Christ as Lord anymore.

Fruits of this teaching?

I am a Quaker. I believe that Jesus is God. He is my salvation.

Is that the doctrine of the Quaker faith though? I always look to be corrected if I hold incorrect beliefs. I had thought that Quakers could hold any number of beliefs about Christ about Trinity and about the Holy Bible as the infallible Word of God? The ones I have known (which could indeed be a skewed sample), do not confess any of those things but are more into peace and meditation (which are good things), and believe that many paths lead to God. But I really do stand to be corrected and apologize if I was wrong. I would be interested in your take on those things, thanks.

The original Quakers believed that Jesus is God and that we must serve Him by obeying God's voice in our hearts. The original Quakers believed the bible as long as it was interpreted through the Holy Ghost.

In time however there was a big split. In the 1800's the Quakers split into two separate groups. One group became known as the Orthodox Quakers as they believe that Jesus is God. They other group became known as the Liberal Quakers as they do not believe that Jesus is God nor do they believe that the bible is true.

The Quakers that you are meeting are Liberal Quakers. They do not agree with George Fox's view that Jesus is God. In Canada due to our small population the Liberal and Orthodox Quakers joined. Thus we are a mix. I am an Orthodox Quaker but many in my meeting house are Liberal Quakers. I do not agree with their views but that is fine they can believe what they want to believe. As for me I believe that Jesus is God and is thus the light of the world as George Fox taught.

Grace to you,

So your not bothered by the fact that some in your meeting house are hell bound sinners in need of Grace?

Peace,

Dave

There are many hell bound sinners in every religious establishment. The Quakers are no different from any other.

Do you endure their Doctrine to be Preached?

[Seeker100]

Oh yeah quaker's today are not even believers, they do not believe that Christ is the only path to salvation, I am not even sure they believe in Christ as Lord anymore.

Fruits of this teaching?

I am a Quaker. I believe that Jesus is God. He is my salvation.

Is that the doctrine of the Quaker faith though? I always look to be corrected if I hold incorrect beliefs. I had thought that Quakers could hold any number of beliefs about Christ about Trinity and about the Holy Bible as the infallible Word of God? The ones I have known (which could indeed be a skewed sample), do not confess any of those things but are more into peace and meditation (which are good things), and believe that many paths lead to God. But I really do stand to be corrected and apologize if I was wrong. I would be interested in your take on those things, thanks.

The original Quakers believed that Jesus is God and that we must serve Him by obeying God's voice in our hearts. The original Quakers believed the bible as long as it was interpreted through the Holy Ghost.

In time however there was a big split. In the 1800's the Quakers split into two separate groups. One group became known as the Orthodox Quakers as they believe that Jesus is God. They other group became known as the Liberal Quakers as they do not believe that Jesus is God nor do they believe that the bible is true.

The Quakers that you are meeting are Liberal Quakers. They do not agree with George Fox's view that Jesus is God. In Canada due to our small population the Liberal and Orthodox Quakers joined. Thus we are a mix. I am an Orthodox Quaker but many in my meeting house are Liberal Quakers. I do not agree with their views but that is fine they can believe what they want to believe. As for me I believe that Jesus is God and is thus the light of the world as George Fox taught.

Grace to you,

So your not bothered by the fact that some in your meeting house are hell bound sinners in need of Grace?

Peace,

Dave

There are many hell bound sinners in every religious establishment. The Quakers are no different from any other.

Do you endure their Doctrine to be Preached?

?? We are Quakers. We have no sermons as we learn from God direct.

We do share however with each other our views. From here we all gain strength. I hear from everyone and learn from everyone however nobody pushes their views as we each must learn from the Lord. I enjoy very much being part of a Quaker meeting house. I believe it is similar to the early Christians.

[Smalcald]

Oh yeah quaker's today are not even believers, they do not believe that Christ is the only path to salvation, I am not even sure they believe in Christ as Lord anymore.

Fruits of this teaching?

I am a Quaker. I believe that Jesus is God. He is my salvation.

Is that the doctrine of the Quaker faith though? I always look to be corrected if I hold incorrect beliefs. I had thought that Quakers could hold any number of beliefs about Christ about Trinity and about the Holy Bible as the infallible Word of God? The ones I have known (which could indeed be a skewed sample), do not confess any of those things but are more into peace and meditation (which are good things), and believe that many paths lead to God. But I really do stand to be corrected and apologize if I was wrong. I would be interested in your take on those things, thanks.

The original Quakers believed that Jesus is God and that we must serve Him by obeying God's voice in our hearts. The original Quakers believed the bible as long as it was interpreted through the Holy Ghost.

In time however there was a big split. In the 1800's the Quakers split into two separate groups. One group became known as the Orthodox Quakers as they believe that Jesus is God. They other group became known as the Liberal Quakers as they do not believe that Jesus is God nor do they believe that the bible is true.

The Quakers that you are meeting are Liberal Quakers. They do not agree with George Fox's view that Jesus is God. In Canada due to our small population the Liberal and Orthodox Quakers joined. Thus we are a mix. I am an Orthodox Quaker but many in my meeting house are Liberal Quakers. I do not agree with their views but that is fine they can believe what they want to believe. As for me I believe that Jesus is God and is thus the light of the world as George Fox taught.

Thanks seeker for your response. No doubt you are right that I am meeting the the Liberal Quaker's.

[Believer1997]

George Fox should not be placed on any type of pedestal as devout Christian. He was clearly mistaken on many of his beliefs. The fact that he spent much time in prison for preaching heresy (i.e. though Fox used the Bible to support his views, Fox reasoned that, because God was within the faithful, believers could follow their own inner guide rather than rely on a strict reading of Scripture or the word of clerics. As the Bible makes no mention of the Trinity, Fox also made no clear distinction between Father, Son and Holy Spirit.)

I think he was actually a very troubled man and confused in his theology.

Geroge Fox taught the truth of God. He taught that Jesus teaches us now and can teach us in our hearts. He taught that God must be first not man made religion. When God is put first the Holy Spirit teaches one what the bible says and what the truth is. The doctrine of George Fox is not of his own. It is the true doctrine of God as God is truth. George Fox pointed to God. God is the truth.

Actually, he did not. He was very conflicted on the existence of the Trinity and did not preach about it. He also taught that rather than depending on the Bible, that his followers could follow their own "inner self". That is not Scriptural and certainly not what Jesus taught us.

[Believer1997]

One quick addition to my comment...

Quakers do not regard any book as being the actual 'word of God'.

Most Quakers regard the Bible as a very great inspirational book but they don't see it as the only one, and so they read other books that can guide their lives.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/ch...quakers_1.shtml

[Seeker100]

George Fox should not be placed on any type of pedestal as devout Christian. He was clearly mistaken on many of his beliefs. The fact that he spent much time in prison for preaching heresy (i.e. though Fox used the Bible to support his views, Fox reasoned that, because God was within the faithful, believers could follow their own inner guide rather than rely on a strict reading of Scripture or the word of clerics. As the Bible makes no mention of the Trinity, Fox also made no clear distinction between Father, Son and Holy Spirit.)

I think he was actually a very troubled man and confused in his theology.

Geroge Fox taught the truth of God. He taught that Jesus teaches us now and can teach us in our hearts. He taught that God must be first not man made religion. When God is put first the Holy Spirit teaches one what the bible says and what the truth is. The doctrine of George Fox is not of his own. It is the true doctrine of God as God is truth. George Fox pointed to God. God is the truth.

Actually, he did not. He was very conflicted on the existence of the Trinity and did not preach about it. He also taught that rather than depending on the Bible, that his followers could follow their own "inner self". That is not Scriptural and certainly not what Jesus taught us.

George Fox did not like the word Trinity as it was not used in the bible. He did however believe that Jesus is God, the Holy Spirit is God and God the Father is God. This is just his thing about the word Trinity. Instead of that word he used the word Godhead. This is his choice. No big deal. It all means the same thing the Father the Son and the Holy Ghost are all God.

You do not understand about depending on the bible. The bible can say many things depending upon who is reading it. Thus to know what the bible says one must follow the Holy Ghost in reading the bible since the Holy Ghost wrote the bible.

You are 100% incorrect about George Fox telling people to follow their own inner self. This is totally false. He taught to follow the "inner voice" of God. This inner voice of God is the one thing that all humans have. It is a commonality with us all as we are all created to be servants of the most high.

George Fox pointed to Christ. Let us all go to Christ and live!