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[Axxman]

It is a misrepresentation of us. You keep trying paint us as thinking Israel can do no wrong, as a basis for your criticism of us and it simply is a false allegation on your part. You treat us like a bunch of idiots based on a incorrect perception of what and how we think.

It only serves to show why you are not a good person to offer any kind of accurate commentary about us or this issue.

It is not a misrepresentation of you...this isn't the first time I've seen you at this rodeo. Your idea of condemnation of Israel is criticising anyone in Israel who isn't zionist. You criticize some liberal wacko Israel media and think thats you being hard on Israel, for the betterment of Israel. I don't think any of you are idiots and I didn't say any such thing...I just think you are unnecessarily extreme in your defense of Israel.

[Axxman]

No they didn't. They simply sought to appease world opinion by being bigger person and apologizing for something they do not owe an apology for.

Well, clearly you know more than the Israeli gov't. You know what they are thinking and what their motives are. Your contention is that they did not use bad protocol, they did nothing to embarrass the vice-president of their strongest ally. Instead, they pass out disengenuous empty apologies to make people happy. Its almost like their claim that they were willing to make broad concessions and BOLD choices for the advancement of peace in the region...empty and disengenuous. At least thats how I felt initially. Then they apologized and explained what had happened...end of story.

The point being made though in reference to the Palestinians is how people like you claim to "support" Israel only find your outrage and only bother to post in this section when it the problem is something you can pin on Israel. You never post over here when it is something the Palestinians do to Israel. So quite frankly, any criticism you offer of Israel is suspect given the one-sided, lopsided appearance of your alleged "support."

What section? The "US News" section? I post in this section plenty aside from the 1 or 2 times in the last three years that I've criticized Israel. And again, what "outrage?" I was not outraged. Disappointed maybe? But not even disappointed...just surprised they would do what they did. But the broader issue here is your knack for questioning the support of ANYONE who dares question ANYTHING that Israel does. I didn't like what Israel did so now you get to call my support of Israel into question? What about you? You are fond of claiming that you are critical of Israel...can we question your support? Having an opinion that Israel messed up says NOTHING about my support of Israel.

Yeah, we betray Israel all of the time. We sell advanced weapons to Israel's sworn enemies, we force Israel to make military and political concessions that amount to national sucide. We expect Israel to make peace with enemies and terrorists that we would NEVER negotiate with. We expect Israel to meet every demand and ante up everything they agree to in negotiations, but allow the Palestinians to slide on EVERY SINGLE agreement they make. We are silent when Israel is attacked, and then only complain about a breakdown in peace when Israel has the temerity to respond in self-defense.

So frankly, this little incident does not even compare to what Israel's "greatest supporter" and "ally" has done to Israel's detriment time and time again.

Oh geez, give it a rest. We get it...you love Israel. America is evil. Israel would be so much better of without America. This country through its gov't and citizenry have been wildly supportive of Israel for over 50 yrs now. Hasn't always been perfect, we've made some mistakes...oh my goodness, I just said something critical about the country I love..EGADS!!! No marriage is ever perfect, but that doesn't mean you get to be a jerk. However, if you do act like a jerk you apologize and move on.

[Axxman]

Hmm . . . sounds like the whole trip was a disaster.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/11...test=latestnews

And ...no one really expected anything else, I sure.

Can't wait to vote these guys out.

[MorningGlory]

I wish our government was that way, too.

Our president claims to support Israel on the one hand but is committed to cutting Israel in half to create a contiguous Palestinian state, which the Palestinians do not deserve, and have proven repeatedly that they could not manage even if they had one.

That being said, I don't think Obama is stupid. I think he knows exactly what he is doing and I think he knows the defense nightmare that would be inflicted on Israel were such a contiguous palestinian nation ever created.

I don't think anyone in the administration is naive about this. They know that these plans are disastrous for Israel.

The American government (regardless of who is in the White House) HAS to play the game; they know Israel won't cut up their country nor do they want them to. This 'peace process' has been dragging on for what? Nearly two decades now? With no real results. I think, if our government REALLY wanted the Palestinians to have a country, they would have had one long ago. It's all about keeping the oil flowing. Israel and the U.S. have been at this for a long time now and each knows what the other is doing. There are no accidental moves on either side. The next few months will bear this out.

[MorningGlory]

It is a misrepresentation of us. You keep trying paint us as thinking Israel can do no wrong, as a basis for your criticism of us and it simply is a false allegation on your part. You treat us like a bunch of idiots based on a incorrect perception of what and how we think.

It only serves to show why you are not a good person to offer any kind of accurate commentary about us or this issue.

It is not a misrepresentation of you...this isn't the first time I've seen you at this rodeo. Your idea of condemnation of Israel is criticising anyone in Israel who isn't zionist. You criticize some liberal wacko Israel media and think thats you being hard on Israel, for the betterment of Israel. I don't think any of you are idiots and I didn't say any such thing...I just think you are unnecessarily extreme in your defense of Israel.

In an effort to throw water on this growing fire, Axx.....I have to point out that no amount of support for Israel is extreme. God wants us to support them and we (those who love Israel) take them warts and all.

[AnotherTraveler]

I absolutely and wholeheartedly disagree with Axxman concerning nearly everything he has said on this matter. I also think that we should be able to disagree without the namecalling and motivational attacks Axxman has resorted to.

I support Israel, however this matter is really a very small protocol issue, so our VP whined, and Israel issued the required "sorry". No big deal.

If Canada was launching rockets on US cities, we would right now be dividing it up into territories to eventually become states, and we would not be asking anyone for permission to do so.

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

Well, clearly you know more than the Israeli gov't. You know what they are thinking and what their motives are. Your contention is that they did not use bad protocol, they did nothing to embarrass the vice-president of their strongest ally. Instead, they pass out disengenuous empty apologies to make people happy. Its almost like their claim that they were willing to make broad concessions and BOLD choices for the advancement of peace in the region...empty and disengenuous. At least thats how I felt initially. Then they apologized and explained what had happened...end of story.

Let's understand a Political Truth though brother. The country of Israel is a Social Democracy and as such certain parts of the Government have the right to disagree with the Leadership. That doesn't necessarily mean that Netanyahu endorsed their apology.

I seem to recall certain Democrats in this Country going to South American Dictators and apologizing while the President of the U.S. "Ronald Reagan" worked to actively eliminate their Communist Governments. It happens here too. So what?

I think it was a bold stroke of genius by the Israeli Leadership to point up the fact that our current Administration is weak on Foreign Policy.

They should never have sent "Ole' Amtrack Joe" without knowing beforehand what the situation was and how it was going to play out. Send a lower level adjunct if you think their might be some sticky situations. The top question on my mind is why Hillary isn't the one being sent. She's the Secretary of State, but then again Arrogance runs thick in this Administration. I seem to recall "Ole' Amtrack Joe" shooting off his mouth several years back and even during this last Election about how as a Senator he told certain other Governments behind closed doors how it would be. Perhaps he telegraphed the same tone here and walked away with a black eye?

Maybe the U.S. should start acting like an honest broker and extend a hand of Peace to it's own ally first. After all; "A brother was born for the day of adversity."

Zec

[Guest shiloh357]

It is a misrepresentation of us. You keep trying paint us as thinking Israel can do no wrong, as a basis for your criticism of us and it simply is a false allegation on your part. You treat us like a bunch of idiots based on a incorrect perception of what and how we think.

It only serves to show why you are not a good person to offer any kind of accurate commentary about us or this issue.

It is not a misrepresentation of you...this isn't the first time I've seen you at this rodeo. Your idea of condemnation of Israel is criticising anyone in Israel who isn't zionist. You criticize some liberal wacko Israel media and think thats you being hard on Israel, for the betterment of Israel. I don't think any of you are idiots and I didn't say any such thing...I just think you are unnecessarily extreme in your defense of Israel.

No I was critical of the conservatives in Israel who backed the disengagement. I have been critical of every conservative politician in Israel that has caved to insane demands that open Israel up to more terrorism. I am critical of the liberals, as they are more dangerous than terrorists, but even Israel's conservative politicians have their problems as well.

I have also been very critical of corrupt conservatives in Israel who wrongfully line their pockets with US foreign aid, and who constantly claim to need US foreign aid when it is clear that Israel's economy could exist quite well without it. I have been very critical of the intellectually dishonesty where this articifical need for our money is concerned. They want it to pad their pockets and it is high time the Israelis stop sucking at the US teet and employ the integrity to voluntarily cut themselves off. Unfortunately, political corruption on both the liberal conservative sides prevents that from happening.

You know nothing about me and you don't know what you are talking about when it comes to Israel. You have a big mouth and think your the end all, be all of every topic you enter into, but this is something you nothing about and really have nothing credible to offer.

And yes, you are misrepresenting me. You operate from the premise that I think Israel can do no wrong and you simply don't have a clue. In the end, you are nothing but an ignorant bag of hot air.

I just think you are unnecessarily extreme in your defense of Israel.

No, I am just more necessarily knowledgeable in my defense of Israel. The difference is that I know what I am talking about and you don't.

There is nothing extreme about my defense of Israel. I am not calling for anyone's death, nor am I calling for any injustice toward the Palestinians. I simply know how to defend Israel and how to examine the immediate context of the situation than you do.

[Guest shiloh357]

Well, clearly you know more than the Israeli gov't. You know what they are thinking and what their motives are.

I didn't judge their motives. I am going off of past history. Israel does somehting or gets blamed for something and rushes to apologize in order to appease their critics in the internation community. Israel, more than any other nation is very cognizant of world opinion and unfortunately, that plays a much larger role in shaping Israeli policy than it should.

Your contention is that they did not use bad protocol, they did nothing to embarrass the vice-president of their strongest ally.

I said they did nothing wrong.

Instead, they pass out disengenuous empty apologies to make people happy. Its almost like their claim that they were willing to make broad concessions and BOLD choices for the advancement of peace in the region...empty and disengenuous.

Israel has proven over and over that they are serious about peace. Building homes within the border of their own cities is not a violation of any protocol and so apology is needed. There is nothing about that demonstrates any lack of seriousness where peace is concerned. It's just a trumped up charge that has no basis in reality. it just gives people like you a chance to take cheap shots at Israel.

At least thats how I felt initially. Then they apologized and explained what had happened...end of story.

Yeah it works to appease people like you. But only serves to weaken Israel in the eyes of the world and in the eyes of their enemies. That is what happens when you continuously apologize when no apology is owed.

What section? The "US News" section?

The Israeli/Palestinian section

And again, what "outrage?" I was not outraged.

No, you just opened up on Israel like they were jerks and stupid and so forth. The point is that you cannot find your voice when it comes to what the Palestians do, but have no problem criticizing Israel. It the lopsidedness of your criticism that I pointed out.

Disappointed maybe? But not even disappointed...just surprised they would do what they did.

That might have been different if you actually knew what you were talking about, but that would have expecting too much.

But the broader issue here is your knack for questioning the support of ANYONE who dares question ANYTHING that Israel does.

Only when the person criticizing Israel has demonstrated anti-Semitc tendencies and have a history of unfairly criticizing Israel while never offering any serious criticism of Israel's enemies when Israel is subjected to terrorism or unfairly maligned by the international community.

[Guest shiloh357]

I didn't like what Israel did so now you get to call my support of Israel into question?

That has been questionable for a long time.

What about you? You are fond of claiming that you are critical of Israel...can we question your support?

Go for it.

Having an opinion that Israel messed up says NOTHING about my support of Israel.

The opinions you have expressed up to this point and from the past says alot about the fraudulence of your claim to "support" Israel.

Oh geez, give it a rest. We get it...you love Israel. America is evil.

no, you don't get it. I did not say America is evil. I am saying that America is not the "ally" that everyone makes us out to be.

Israel would be so much better of without America. This country through its gov't and citizenry have been wildly supportive of Israel for over 50 yrs now.

Israel would be energy independent without the US. Israel's economy has been seriously hampered due to US meddling in Israel's interests. The US has been nothing but a paper ally for the last 50 years. The US government treats Israel like it is a vassal nation to the US and the minute that Israel ceases to be useful or beneficial to the interests of the US government, they will drop Israel like a bad habit. The US government's interest in Israel stems from Israel being a deterrent to Soviet/Russian dominance and control in the region. Israel served as a deterrant to a Russian invasion and so it was in the interest of the US to prop Israel up and to make sure the Soviets knew abuot it. Only a relatively small percentage of US citzenry even knows anything about Israel. Not enough to make it appear that this country wildly supports Israel.

No marriage is ever perfect, but that doesn't mean you get to be a jerk. However, if you do act like a jerk you apologize and move on.

False analogy.

However, if you do act like a jerk you apologize and move on.

Israel did not act like a jerk and btw, it was a few in the Israeli government that apologized. Accroding to the Ha'aretz poll, your view was only favored by 3.4% of real Israelis, real people. Frankly, the people of Israel don't want their government having to apologize or acting like a sovereign nation even if it offends a buch of blowhards and others who don't face the threats and challenges Israel faces. Most of Israel supported the announcement, so to pretend that "Israel" apologized is pretty much a product of your imagination.