Who is my "brother" in Christ?

[eis]

In a separate thread I managed to experience the ire of some on this board because I was bold enough to state a dividing line between what I read in the Scripture vs what some teach regarding salvation. To wit I was called a pinhead, judgmental and probably some other things. An Admin closed the topic, probably the best thing to do since it was heated.

But I ask, why should one call another brother when he cannot agree with the other's teaching regarding how one is "saved"? Is it possible that one is right and the other is not if their teachings do not jive? If I feel that one is not saved until they have been obedient in baptism and cannot stay saved unless they continue in the faith, and another on this board feels that all you have to do is believe and you are forever saved, am I to just sit here and avoid the question?

Many accuse those of us who teach that there is more required than belief to entering the family of God as being works oriented, thereby nullifying faith. I would say this is a complete misunderstanding. I would say that the Scripture teaches that many will believe, but many will not enter into heaven. If I teach one who has believed and has been baptized that they must remain faithful to the Lord to be saved is that any different than teaching that one who hears must believe and one who believes must repent? Confess? and be Baptized(immersed)? Teaching one what they "must do to be saved" depends on where they are. It is much like telling someone how to get to St Louis...it depends on where you are when you ask.

So, if you teach faith only salvation and God's election and I don't agree, should I call you brother?

[eis]

I would just put forth that it is not your job, nor mine, the judge the salvation of another. that is as they said in the Corps, above our pay grade.

I would also ask you...

if I as a believer that salvation is a free gift of God that we get by our faith and not our actions, but I also have been baptized, not because it saved be, but because I was saved. If I dont believe that one's actions "keep you saved" yet I follow Jesus and live my life to the glory of Christ, not out of fear of losing my salvation, but out of love for Jesus...would you consider me a brother.

I would ask, "If I glean from Scripture that there is a saving message and another teaches something short of that or that goes beyond it, am I "judging" the salvation of the other, or warning him to look again? Maybe I personally have no motive to judge, just to warn.

[OneLight]

So, if you teach faith only salvation and God's election and I don't agree, should I call you brother?

Who is our brothers, sisters and mothers?

Matthew 12:50

For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.

Mark 3:35

For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother.

Nuff said ...

[eis]

So, if you teach faith only salvation and God's election and I don't agree, should I call you brother?

Who is our brothers, sisters and mothers?

Matthew 12:50

For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.

Mark 3:35

For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother.

Nuff said ...

And, does the will means? I say the Scripture teaches a will and it isn't just belief or election.

[OneLight]

So, if you teach faith only salvation and God's election and I don't agree, should I call you brother?

Who is our brothers, sisters and mothers?

Matthew 12:50

For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.

Mark 3:35

For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother.

Nuff said ...

And, does the will means? I say the Scripture teaches a will and it isn't just belief or election.

My friend, only God knows who is saved, not you not I nor anyone else with their pet doctrines. If one persons believe only in Mark 16:16, so let it be for them. If another believes in Romans 10:13, so let it be for them. What I am saying is that according to scripture we see through a glass darkly, not knowing all that scripture tells us. If you follow the Holy Spirit, you will not go wrong.

Now, to your question about who is your brother, look at my first post.

[enoob57]

In a separate thread I managed to experience the ire of some on this board because I was bold enough to state a dividing line between what I read in the Scripture vs what some teach regarding salvation. To wit I was called a pinhead, judgmental and probably some other things. An Admin closed the topic, probably the best thing to do since it was heated.

But I ask, why should one call another brother when he cannot agree with the other's teaching regarding how one is "saved"? Is it possible that one is right and the other is not if their teachings do not jive? If I feel that one is not saved until they have been obedient in baptism and cannot stay saved unless they continue in the faith, and another on this board feels that all you have to do is believe and you are forever saved, am I to just sit here and avoid the question?

Many accuse those of us who teach that there is more required than belief to entering the family of God as being works oriented, thereby nullifying faith. I would say this is a complete misunderstanding. I would say that the Scripture teaches that many will believe, but many will not enter into heaven. If I teach one who has believed and has been baptized that they must remain faithful to the Lord to be saved is that any different than teaching that one who hears must believe and one who believes must repent? Confess? and be Baptized(immersed)? Teaching one what they "must do to be saved" depends on where they are. It is much like telling someone how to get to St Louis...it depends on where you are when you ask.

So, if you teach faith only salvation and God's election and I don't agree, should I call you brother?

Is this the issue do we love God and His Word and then love those that hold the same. God has called us to a most unique circumstance in that we must at all times and places while keeping our mind and heart stayed upon Him/Father/Son/Spirit by the Word to be able to walk Holy before Him Who is Holy. If we are successful in this obedience we will find ourselves focus on a Person who gave up being God to be a Man and dwell with those who didn't even come to His sandal straps in knowing the Scriptures or the performing of them! Here is where our answer lies How did He live and who did He call His mother and brother and sister! Notice we have never taken our eyes off Him to find our answer, but have indeed focused more upon Him in order to see! Love Steven

[John3;16]

[vlad]

I would like to say that you Christians are my brothers! Whatever may be the difference we are brothers and sisters. Our diffrence is of minor importance. And if I feel that I am being mistreated by my brothers I accept that without fret and doubt because I know that it is God's to judge finally. He knows the total result. So I can say for example "I do not agree with my brother but I love him and pray for him". We are brothers and we are accepted by Jesus Christ only when we love each other.

[1Mind1Spirit]

Hebrews chap. 12 verse 5

My son, despise not the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him.

For whom the Lord loves he chastises, and scourges every son whom he receives.

IF YOU endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons.

But if you be without chastisement, whereof ALL are partakers, then are you bastards, and not sons.

Hebrews chap 5 verse 8

Though he were a Son, yet he learned obedience by the things which he suffered.

And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation to all THEM that OBEY HIM.

Our brethern will listen to rebuke and repent. Rebuke a wise man and he will be wiser yet. A fool will argue that you are judging him. But if you had already judged him to hell, why would you waste you're breath on them? They must understand that once they believe on Christ, just as steel sharpens steel, we sharpen each other. We know we must obey Christ in order to be saved. For those who get angry and will not listen, remember they hated Christ before they hated you. The love they profess to have is shallow and without substance.I am your brother and stand with you in this thing.

1Mind1Spirit

[eis]

I am your brother and stand with you in this thing.

1Mind1Spirit

And I appreciate the fact that you are there!

I have limited time and limited typing skills, so I will cut to the chase and ask:

For those who promote the concept of believing resulting in salvation, I would ask then are all believers brothers in Christ? If you are a Protestant, do you consider Catholics your brother? They too believe.