Visits to hell and heaven versus Biblical doctrine

[Guest]

.... I am only praying to God to show me how to act with wisdom in this situation. I feel a bit "trapped" (yes, I know, it doesnt make sense). I trust that the God of Israel, Isaac and Abraham who pulled me out from the darkness of Islam and brought me to the light of Christ will never forsake me ....

Praying!

[Openly Curious]

I have never once found any such claims to be biblical but just the opposite. They claim God has chosen them special to go tell of their journey's or trips to heaven or hell. These seer's claimed alot of people are going to get caught up simply for not paying their tithes. I know what the word says about the subject of tithing and offering but this is being told to Christians who I believe for the most part are doing it but they are told that many would trip over it go figure. I'm sure that scared the life out of the hearers to pay their tithes and offerings to their ministry.

No where in the Word do you find such journey's, visions and trips to heaven or hell except for John the Revelator. There are no spiritual gifts that covers these type of things.

If these type of visions do not coincide with the Bible 100% then you are being told a lie and being led astray for a reason most likely the sell of their books.

2 Peter 1:19-21---We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

vs.20) Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

vs.21) For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

[Arthur Durnan]

Precisely. Our faith in Christ is not based on a person's dream, vision or "revelation" beyond Holy & settled Scripture. Jude is quite explicit on this: he says that the faith "was once delivered (Greek, for all time) to the saints." Otherwise why give us a completed, reliable, authoritative, once-for-all-time-delivered Word of Truth? Amen & Amen! "On Christ the solid Rock I'll stand, all other ground is...................."

[MorningGlory]

Precisely. Our faith in Christ is not based on a person's dream, vision or "revelation" beyond Holy & settled Scripture. Jude is quite explicit on this: he says that the faith "was once delivered (Greek, for all time) to the saints." Otherwise why give us a completed, reliable, authoritative, once-for-all-time-delivered Word of Truth? Amen & Amen! "On Christ the solid Rock I'll stand, all other ground is...................."

[Arthur Durnan]

Thanx.

[fromIslam2Christ]

Precisely. Our faith in Christ is not based on a person's dream, vision or "revelation" beyond Holy & settled Scripture. Jude is quite explicit on this: he says that the faith "was once delivered (Greek, for all time) to the saints." Otherwise why give us a completed, reliable, authoritative, once-for-all-time-delivered Word of Truth? Amen & Amen! "On Christ the solid Rock I'll stand, all other ground is...................."

I thank you.

The Living Word of God, which is the Bible, is all I need to know. That is so true!!!

I have left that church by the way. I received 48 phone calls in 2 days from the "Prophet" and his wife, the "Evangelist"... Almost made me lose my mind. They assured me that in that church they are going to heaven and that they do not want me to leave the church otherwise I may lose my salvation.

I am grateful for the Bible that I was able to read for myself and that assures me of what to do and how to be saved.

Thank you all and be blessed for all your kind support, prayers, and comments.

[Blien]

Precisely. Our faith in Christ is not based on a person's dream, vision or "revelation" beyond Holy & settled Scripture. Jude is quite explicit on this: he says that the faith "was once delivered (Greek, for all time) to the saints." Otherwise why give us a completed, reliable, authoritative, once-for-all-time-delivered Word of Truth? Amen & Amen! "On Christ the solid Rock I'll stand, all other ground is...................."

I thank you.

The Living Word of God, which is the Bible, is all I need to know. That is so true!!!

I have left that church by the way. I received 48 phone calls in 2 days from the "Prophet" and his wife, the "Evangelist"... Almost made me lose my mind. They assured me that in that church they are going to heaven and that they do not want me to leave the church otherwise I may lose my salvation.

I am grateful for the Bible that I was able to read for myself and that assures me of what to do and how to be saved.

Thank you all and be blessed for all your kind support, prayers, and comments.

They actually called you 48 times??? wow.... I've been pestered by some churches but this one is the worst I've ever heard of. Anyway, don't let anyone teach you anything beyond that what is in the Bible. Your doing good by staying away from these people but I highly recommend you find a Bible believing church to attend so that you can grow in the word.

And you cant' loose your salvation unless you have unforgiveness in your heart. That's the only deal breaker.. so forgive everyone just as God forgave you of all your (and my) sins.

[Blien]

Talking about demons...

There is this Indian restaurant that I really enjoy going too. Well, I was told not to go back there because of the statues and paintings they have in there that represents Indian gods (?). Entering that restaurant is basically inviting demons to come into your life. Same thing with Chinese restaurants ()especially if there is a statue of a little fat Buddha. Same thing with any store that has a name with dragon, serpent, mermaid, etc...

They mentioned Rebecca Brown's books to me as a proof of what they were saying. I was very scared and asked God to forgive me for going to that Indian place.

Now I am putting all the teaching into perspective and things are starting to sound odd.

sigh.

Don't worry about demons. They can't hurt you. They are not God. Since you have Jesus on your side, you have God's hedge of protection around you. I have lots of experience we demons believe me. They can't do you any harm.. but it's a good idea to not go to places where they worship them.

[fromIslam2Christ]

Thank you very much Blien.

[Hawkins]

I have never once found any such claims to be biblical but just the opposite. They claim God has chosen them special to go tell of their journey's or trips to heaven or hell. These seer's claimed alot of people are going to get caught up simply for not paying their tithes. I know what the word says about the subject of tithing and offering but this is being told to Christians who I believe for the most part are doing it but they are told that many would trip over it go figure. I'm sure that scared the life out of the hearers to pay their tithes and offerings to their ministry.

No where in the Word do you find such journey's, visions and trips to heaven or hell except for John the Revelator. There are no spiritual gifts that covers these type of things.

If these type of visions do not coincide with the Bible 100% then you are being told a lie and being led astray for a reason most likely the sell of their books.

2 Peter 1:19-21---We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

vs.20) Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

vs.21) For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

On the other hand, the root of Christianity comes from witnessing, witnessing plays an important role in Christianity till today. Moreover, many will deny them and their coming...I mean how will you be able to recognise them and distinguish them from what you think to be the liars?!

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?searc...amp;version=NIV

The Bible teaches us to identify by the fruits they bore instead of relying on our own subjective knowledge, and to test their spirits. Why not just listen to what God says?

Matthew 7:15-23

"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

1 John 4:1-3

Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

Edited April 15, 2010 by Hawkins