Weird Demonic possession!

[ayin jade]

Fez, it has been my experience that if he requested this spirit to enter him and does not wish it to leave, there is nothing that you can do. Father Malachi Martin who was an exorcist for 35+ years has written about his experiences and says the same.

If the Holy Spirit tells you to deal with it, then you can rid the man of the spirit, but unless he fills himself with the Holy Spirit, the spirit will return and will treat the man harshly for wanting the spirit gone.

So be very careful how you handle this and do nothing that God doesn't specifically direct you to do.....

Those are my thoughts on the subject, but as always I am very open to be proven wrong.

Agreed

[ayin jade]

Quite an interesting thread you have going here Brother!

I never intended to start anything. I am a bit busy at the moment but at soon as I am able I will formulate a reply.

Troublemaker lol.

[ayin jade]

Believers can not be indwelled with demons.Unbelievers could possibly be .

I believe in what you said big time..one quick question..we are to pray without ceasing,ect..ok....brain callapsed..lol...but what if your a carnal christian.??...if you dont say in the faith and backslide can you then get possessed.....I think yes without a doubt cause your not in faith and compainship with the lord.....what do you think?

As long as the Holy Spirit resides in you, the "house" is not empty and the demons cannot possess you.

[Hall7]

oh,oh,oh...lol.....ok when your anointed by the holy spirit..i believe your washed clean of all unclean spirits..is this correct????....If so if someone was to backslide wouldnt you be taking the of a unclean spirit to come back in;????? just wondering

From my understanding, Christians can be affected by spirits of "oppression" but cannot be "possessed" by demons. Spirits of oppression make themselves manifest when ones mind drifts away from God's word, when we disconnect from His spirit due to lack of prayer and time in the Lord. That is when the mind lowers itself to the world and becomes affected by the world instead of living in the spirit. An example of spirits of oppression are: Addiction, anger, pride, envy, materialism, constant unexplained illness, greed, depression, impure thoughts etc... These are gained by spirits of the "world". Hope this helped ..

[Hall7]

Fez.. Does he run away before you want to start praying for him or after you began the prayer? What about just mentioning the name of Jesus in a conversation? To see his reaction. Although from what you mentioned it does sound like he has something in him. It's a tough situation really because he needs to be saved in order for these spirits to not return in him, and he definitely won't want to be saved because the spirits don't want to leave him and are controlling his mind. The only way I could see this work is if there was a guaranty that he would accept Jesus in his life after the spirits are cast out of him.

[holys]

Fez.. Does he run away before you want to start praying for him or after you began the prayer? What about just mentioning the name of Jesus in a conversation? To see his reaction. Although from what you mentioned it does sound like he has something in him. It's a tough situation really because he needs to be saved in order for these spirits to not return in him, and he definitely won't want to be saved because the spirits don't want to leave him and are controlling his mind. The only way I could see this work is if there was a guaranty that he would accept Jesus in his life after the spirits are cast out of him.

I totally agree..thank you so much for the info..god bless

[holys]

Fez.. Does he run away before you want to start praying for him or after you began the prayer? What about just mentioning the name of Jesus in a conversation? To see his reaction. Although from what you mentioned it does sound like he has something in him. It's a tough situation really because he needs to be saved in order for these spirits to not return in him, and he definitely won't want to be saved because the spirits don't want to leave him and are controlling his mind. The only way I could see this work is if there was a guaranty that he would accept Jesus in his life after the spirits are cast out of him.

Hall once again i agree..amen

[janiebeth]

Ok this might sound weird, but here goes.

Background

One of my responsibilities is to manage a cleaning company that cuts verges, clears drains, cleans ablution blocks in the Park where I work. They are contracted to us and hire their own staff. All of these staff are Zulu male or females. there are about 30 of them. Their supervisor is a wonderful guy named Ronnie, a Zulu catholic pastor who attends my home group for training from time to time (how to prepare sermons, etc). My home group is not catholic, we are New Covenant, apostolic, prophetic I guess you can call us. (as is my church)

Problem

One of the grass cutting team is a Zulu male named Dumisani. He seems to be possessed by something. What happens is that he will be working in the grass cutting team and will all of a sudden start speaking in a deep voice/s that is not his own for 5 or 10 minutes. Straight afterwards he fall into such a deep sleep some have thought he was dead.

Now I have lived in Africa my entire life, and know that Sangoma's (witch doctors), are everywhere and a lot of my staff go to them rather than a medical doctor. Many Zulu's (most although they will not talk about it), believe that curses can be put on you by a Sangoma that will result in ill health or death.

It transpires that in this case Dumisani went to a Sangoma to have himself cut and infused with medicine that would allow him to know other peoples business, and what they are thinking. He knew full well that the Sangoma was going to infuse him with a spirit to allow him to do this.

I myself have observed him in this coma like state but never heard the voices he uses, because the staff say whenever a Christian like Ronnie or myself is near, these voices and the fit he has do not manifest. We only see the end result, which is the coma like state.

Now I don't know if this is psychosomatic with Dumisani, or there is more to it and this is a demon. But he has been and visited evil in the form of the Sangoma, and asked, invited this "spirit" to enter.

Solution?

I don't quite know. Dumisani won't talk to us about it, and refuses to be prayed over, he runs away. He has promised to come to church (Ronnie's), but so far has failed to appear. I hesitate to say this is demon possession, not knowing much about it except what I read in the Bible, so I guess I am a bit sceptical, and am also looking for another, rational reason this could be happening.

Any thoughts?

You need to read the book War on The Saints from early 1900's. It explains everything concerning demonic powers. Another one is Pigs in the Parlor. The first is open source and available online in full text.

[other one]

This is a pretty old thread....... I hope Fez comes by and updates us on the situation.

[Hall7]

This is a pretty old thread....... I hope Fez comes by and updates us on the situation.

Wow it is pretty old I didn't realize that. We need your input Fez. Feeeez! Feez Fez fez... (That was an echo)