Who do you have a deeper relationship with?

[Joshua-777]

1 john 5:7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.

[Botz]

1 john 5:7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.

Amen Josh.

Part of the problem between Jews and Christians over the Centuries is the perception of whom G-d is and how He has revealed Himself....the Jews stress the Oneness of G-d, but many Christians have in my understanding, over-emphasised Trinitarian doctrine and created something that was never stressed in such a way. In the Old Covenant the Israelites were well aware of the Holy Spirit, and David cried out for G-d not to take Himself away from him....

Psalm51:9 Hide Your face from my sins

And blot out all my iniquities.

10 Create in me a clean heart, O God,

And renew a steadfast spirit within me.

11 Do not cast me away from Your presence

And do not take Your Holy Spirit from me.

12 Restore to me the joy of Your salvation

And sustain me with a willing spirit.

13 Then I will teach transgressors Your ways,

And sinners will be converted to You.

In these days G-d has revealed Himself through Jesus, and He is the same Yesterday, Today and Forever.

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[~candice~]

Botz, I really understand where you are coming from. The Jews really do emphasise and cling to Duet 6:4. I don't separate who they are either. I guess I should have been clearer and asked which ROLE of God you feel more readily able to approach. Lesson learned!

The role of High Priest, for me, I can most easily relate to (and I am hoping that relate is the right word...). The role of Father, given my own earthly experience with fathers, is a little harder for me.

Does that clear things up? It's really not about the individual members, and everyone has correctly said that they are one... it's about roles.

[~candice~]

There is something unsettling about this that sent me to prayer in the shower (where all good prayer happens ).

Christ has paid the price and the veil is torn, so we have access to God, in all His roles, and in all members of the Trinity. I do understand that all members are One and we should approach God as One.

Perhaps it is sin and hurt and poor teachings / understandings that prevents some of us from reaching a full measure of relationship with some of these roles and members?

In reality, I am closer to some roles than others. I don't know why but I have all confidence that He will do a work in me to address. I readily accept that we have access to a deep mature relationship with God in His entirety and in all members and roles, and thus, our relationship with the elements of the trinity, and with the roles of God, should be equal.

If you don't experience this, then that is wonderful, and I can celebrate with you the work that Christ has done in your lives .

[Guest man]

In reality, I am closer to some roles than others. I don't know why...

The role of Father, given my own earthly experience with fathers, is a little harder for me.

You need to forgive and let go.

[nebula]

The role of Father, given my own earthly experience with fathers, is a little harder for me.

You need to forgive and let go.

It's more complicated than that. There is still broken pieces, corrupt images, fears, wounds, etc. that need to be made right.

[Botz]

There is something unsettling about this that sent me to prayer in the shower (where all good prayer happens ).

Christ has paid the price and the veil is torn, so we have access to God, in all His roles, and in all members of the Trinity. I do understand that all members are One and we should approach God as One.

Perhaps it is sin and hurt and poor teachings / understandings that prevents some of us from reaching a full measure of relationship with some of these roles and members?

In reality, I am closer to some roles than others. I don't know why but I have all confidence that He will do a work in me to address. I readily accept that we have access to a deep mature relationship with God in His entirety and in all members and roles, and thus, our relationship with the elements of the trinity, and with the roles of God, should be equal.

If you don't experience this, then that is wonderful, and I can celebrate with you the work that Christ has done in your lives .

Sorry been busy for a few days.....just briefly as this thread seems to have moved on.

I think many people have a fragmented view of G-d, because they approach Him based more on theological definitions than out of relationship...the very use of the word Trinity makes me shudder...it is so sterile and academic.

I know many people talk of the difficulty in relating to G-d as Father because of really hard times they had with their earthly father...something that may help is that all the things you ever wished your earthly father to be, but wasn't are found in G-d, and you do not have to try and relate to this role of G-d through the distorted role of your earthly father.

My father was a good Dad in many ways...but in others he was weak, and he would have admitted it...but I loved him and admired him, and I still miss him after 20 years...but I have never ever related to G-d through him. My Heavenly Father is perfect, and I trust Him implicitly. My point being, whether you had a good father or a diabolical father, you do not have to filter your Heavenly Father through images and memories that are untrue and keep making the bad memories rise up.

I believe the enemy always has a plan to make our lives defeated and ineffective, and one that I have discovered for myself is how much he wants to distort our understanding of the L-rd and give us a plastic throwaway facsimile to focus on, rather than how G-d has revealed Himself....it is a lie, and it is a trick...we need to resist and expose this deceitfulness, and come into a position of faith and believe....Behold the Father through your G-d-given EYES OF FAITH,,,then you will see clearly.

Hope it makes sense. Botz