Arizona Governor Signs Controversial Immigration Bill

[ayin jade]

My guess is that a short-form birth certificate would get him into Arizona...but I would hope the Presidency of these United States might hold for a higher burden of proof?

Arizona passed a law requiring anyone who wants to be president and have their name on our ballot to produce proof of citizenship via a birth certificate. If Obama wants to be re-elected, he will have to produce it.

[Rick-Parker]

I am on BOTH sides of this issue.

I live in Arizona...pretty close to the border. I do not understand half of the passing conversations I overhear in the grocery store. I cannot read half of the billboards, or advertisments along the road. Half of the ads in the newspaper are in a foreign language. I am denied numerous job opportunites and advancements because I refuse to learn the language of another country. I could go on...but you get the point. I am annoyed by the loss of American culture in my city.

Unfortunately...there is nothing constitutionally wrong with the above listed issues I have with immigration. Many cultures have come to America and brought their cultures and traditions with them.

The one thing that I do have a problem with in this law...it is directed at a specific race of people. I understand why the law was made, I understand the issues very well and agree with the vast majority of the issues that brought this law forth. I cannot agree with the concept that people who are hispanic looking are the targets of this law...and pretty much nobody else. They have talked alot about the 'training' that officers will receive to avoid profiling...but...what does that mean? Its not like they are going to target caucasions to keep things fair. This law targets ONE race, or people who appear to be of that race. I have a problem with laws that target individual races...it simply doesn't feel right in America.

I would be MUCH happier if Arizona gov't (and federal gov't) started passing common sense laws that attacked the problem on the frontlines...at the border! This law basically acknowledges that we are letting them in, we are not going to stop them, so lets just target everyone (American citizens included) who look like them.

Have you read the bill? Does it actually say Mexicans or Latinos or South Americans? More than likely, someone will only have their immigration status checked withiin the confines of some other interaction with law enforcement. I seriously doubt that law enforcement has the time or desire to just stop and check the status of some guy standing on the corner or at Home Depot. But at least now they will check when they pull someone over for a traffic stop. And I'll bet it will be anyone who speaks broken English or asks suspicious, irregardless of skin color. We can only hope that the cops will do the right thing and that the DOJ will do it's job.

[MorningGlory]

I am on BOTH sides of this issue.

I live in Arizona...pretty close to the border. I do not understand half of the passing conversations I overhear in the grocery store. I cannot read half of the billboards, or advertisments along the road. Half of the ads in the newspaper are in a foreign language. I am denied numerous job opportunites and advancements because I refuse to learn the language of another country. I could go on...but you get the point. I am annoyed by the loss of American culture in my city.

Unfortunately...there is nothing constitutionally wrong with the above listed issues I have with immigration. Many cultures have come to America and brought their cultures and traditions with them.

The one thing that I do have a problem with in this law...it is directed at a specific race of people. I understand why the law was made, I understand the issues very well and agree with the vast majority of the issues that brought this law forth. I cannot agree with the concept that people who are hispanic looking are the targets of this law...and pretty much nobody else. They have talked alot about the 'training' that officers will receive to avoid profiling...but...what does that mean? Its not like they are going to target caucasions to keep things fair. This law targets ONE race, or people who appear to be of that race. I have a problem with laws that target individual races...it simply doesn't feel right in America.

I would be MUCH happier if Arizona gov't (and federal gov't) started passing common sense laws that attacked the problem on the frontlines...at the border! This law basically acknowledges that we are letting them in, we are not going to stop them, so lets just target everyone (American citizens included) who look like them.

Have you read the bill? Does it actually say Mexicans or Latinos or South Americans? More than likely, someone will only have their immigration status checked withiin the confines of some other interaction with law enforcement. I seriously doubt that law enforcement has the time or desire to just stop and check the status of some guy standing on the corner or at Home Depot. But at least now they will check when they pull someone over for a traffic stop. And I'll bet it will be anyone who speaks broken English or asks suspicious, irregardless of skin color. We can only hope that the cops will do the right thing and that the DOJ will do it's job.

I'm going to agree here, Parker1. The police don't have the time or manpower to pull over everyone who looks Hispanic, nor should they. But asking for proof of legal status when pulling someone over for a traffic violation or other incident where the police have reasonable cause for suspicion (can't speak English, no valid license, forieign license, etc.) is perfectly acceptable. That means if a Hispanic looking person speaks English with a southern accent they're probably not going to question him/her. I have Hispanic famly members and I sure don't want to see them harrassed as they were born here and don't even speak Spanish. We have to trust law enforcement to do their job in the right way.

[MorningGlory]

I wonder if Obama visits Arizona if the police will ask him if he is a immigrant.

How would he prove it, he doesn't have a birth certificate.

this was my thought too as I read the original post

Oh come on, LPT, don't believe everything you hear in American politics. Most of it is swill.

Hey, come to think of it, It would finally force him to bring this supposed existing document out of hiding and into the Light.

I think everyone pretty much knows Obama was born in Hawaii....Dave.

[MorningGlory]

I am on BOTH sides of this issue.

I live in Arizona...pretty close to the border. I do not understand half of the passing conversations I overhear in the grocery store. I cannot read half of the billboards, or advertisments along the road. Half of the ads in the newspaper are in a foreign language. I am denied numerous job opportunites and advancements because I refuse to learn the language of another country. I could go on...but you get the point. I am annoyed by the loss of American culture in my city.

Unfortunately...there is nothing constitutionally wrong with the above listed issues I have with immigration. Many cultures have come to America and brought their cultures and traditions with them.

The one thing that I do have a problem with in this law...it is directed at a specific race of people. I understand why the law was made, I understand the issues very well and agree with the vast majority of the issues that brought this law forth. I cannot agree with the concept that people who are hispanic looking are the targets of this law...and pretty much nobody else. They have talked alot about the 'training' that officers will receive to avoid profiling...but...what does that mean? Its not like they are going to target caucasions to keep things fair. This law targets ONE race, or people who appear to be of that race. I have a problem with laws that target individual races...it simply doesn't feel right in America.

I would be MUCH happier if Arizona gov't (and federal gov't) started passing common sense laws that attacked the problem on the frontlines...at the border! This law basically acknowledges that we are letting them in, we are not going to stop them, so lets just target everyone (American citizens included) who look like them.

The law targets ANYONE who is not here legally...even if that person is from Tanzania or Sweden. It doesn't call out only Hispanic people. The reason they are upset is because nearly ALL of our illegal population is from Mexico or South America. There just aren't very many Tanzanians or Swedes to check out. If there were, I'd say they should be scrutinized as well.

[ayin jade]

Does it actually say Mexicans or Latinos or South Americans? More than likely, someone will only have their immigration status checked withiin the confines of some other interaction with law enforcement. I seriously doubt that law enforcement has the time or desire to just stop and check the status of some guy standing on the corner or at Home Depot. But at least now they will check when they pull someone over for a traffic stop. And I'll bet it will be anyone who speaks broken English or asks suspicious, irregardless of skin color. We can only hope that the cops will do the right thing and that the DOJ will do it's job.

I'm going to agree here, Parker1. The police don't have the time or manpower to pull over everyone who looks Hispanic, nor should they. But asking for proof of legal status when pulling someone over for a traffic violation or other incident where the police have reasonable cause for suspicion (can't speak English, no valid license, forieign license, etc.) is perfectly acceptable. That means if a Hispanic looking person speaks English with a southern accent they're probably not going to question him/her. I have Hispanic famly members and I sure don't want to see them harrassed as they were born here and don't even speak Spanish. We have to trust law enforcement to do their job in the right way.

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf

Thats the bill. Im not sure if that is the final version that the governor signed though.

Below is a link to her speech in which she clearly states that no one is pulled over JUST for the color of their skin. The cops will only be able to ask about immigration status if someone is stopped for something else. In the past, illegals have been allowed to just walk away if they committed a traffic violation, without getting a ticket. A right that us citizens dont have.

http://www.azfamily.com/home/related/Full-...t-91942654.html

[Rick-Parker]

I am on BOTH sides of this issue.

I live in Arizona...pretty close to the border. I do not understand half of the passing conversations I overhear in the grocery store. I cannot read half of the billboards, or advertisments along the road. Half of the ads in the newspaper are in a foreign language. I am denied numerous job opportunites and advancements because I refuse to learn the language of another country. I could go on...but you get the point. I am annoyed by the loss of American culture in my city.

Unfortunately...there is nothing constitutionally wrong with the above listed issues I have with immigration. Many cultures have come to America and brought their cultures and traditions with them.

The one thing that I do have a problem with in this law...it is directed at a specific race of people. I understand why the law was made, I understand the issues very well and agree with the vast majority of the issues that brought this law forth. I cannot agree with the concept that people who are hispanic looking are the targets of this law...and pretty much nobody else. They have talked alot about the 'training' that officers will receive to avoid profiling...but...what does that mean? Its not like they are going to target caucasions to keep things fair. This law targets ONE race, or people who appear to be of that race. I have a problem with laws that target individual races...it simply doesn't feel right in America.

I would be MUCH happier if Arizona gov't (and federal gov't) started passing common sense laws that attacked the problem on the frontlines...at the border! This law basically acknowledges that we are letting them in, we are not going to stop them, so lets just target everyone (American citizens included) who look like them.

Have you read the bill? Does it actually say Mexicans or Latinos or South Americans? More than likely, someone will only have their immigration status checked withiin the confines of some other interaction with law enforcement. I seriously doubt that law enforcement has the time or desire to just stop and check the status of some guy standing on the corner or at Home Depot. But at least now they will check when they pull someone over for a traffic stop. And I'll bet it will be anyone who speaks broken English or asks suspicious, irregardless of skin color. We can only hope that the cops will do the right thing and that the DOJ will do it's job.

I'm going to agree here, Parker1. The police don't have the time or manpower to pull over everyone who looks Hispanic, nor should they. But asking for proof of legal status when pulling someone over for a traffic violation or other incident where the police have reasonable cause for suspicion (can't speak English, no valid license, forieign license, etc.) is perfectly acceptable. That means if a Hispanic looking person speaks English with a southern accent they're probably not going to question him/her. I have Hispanic famly members and I sure don't want to see them harrassed as they were born here and don't even speak Spanish. We have to trust law enforcement to do their job in the right way.

That's all we can do. Most cops don't want to be bothered with this immigration status stuff to start with. But if State laws like this force the DOJ to do their job, then the risks of racial profiling will be well worth it.

[MorningGlory]

I am on BOTH sides of this issue.

I live in Arizona...pretty close to the border. I do not understand half of the passing conversations I overhear in the grocery store. I cannot read half of the billboards, or advertisments along the road. Half of the ads in the newspaper are in a foreign language. I am denied numerous job opportunites and advancements because I refuse to learn the language of another country. I could go on...but you get the point. I am annoyed by the loss of American culture in my city.

Unfortunately...there is nothing constitutionally wrong with the above listed issues I have with immigration. Many cultures have come to America and brought their cultures and traditions with them.

The one thing that I do have a problem with in this law...it is directed at a specific race of people. I understand why the law was made, I understand the issues very well and agree with the vast majority of the issues that brought this law forth. I cannot agree with the concept that people who are hispanic looking are the targets of this law...and pretty much nobody else. They have talked alot about the 'training' that officers will receive to avoid profiling...but...what does that mean? Its not like they are going to target caucasions to keep things fair. This law targets ONE race, or people who appear to be of that race. I have a problem with laws that target individual races...it simply doesn't feel right in America.

I would be MUCH happier if Arizona gov't (and federal gov't) started passing common sense laws that attacked the problem on the frontlines...at the border! This law basically acknowledges that we are letting them in, we are not going to stop them, so lets just target everyone (American citizens included) who look like them.

Have you read the bill? Does it actually say Mexicans or Latinos or South Americans? More than likely, someone will only have their immigration status checked withiin the confines of some other interaction with law enforcement. I seriously doubt that law enforcement has the time or desire to just stop and check the status of some guy standing on the corner or at Home Depot. But at least now they will check when they pull someone over for a traffic stop. And I'll bet it will be anyone who speaks broken English or asks suspicious, irregardless of skin color. We can only hope that the cops will do the right thing and that the DOJ will do it's job.

I'm going to agree here, Parker1. The police don't have the time or manpower to pull over everyone who looks Hispanic, nor should they. But asking for proof of legal status when pulling someone over for a traffic violation or other incident where the police have reasonable cause for suspicion (can't speak English, no valid license, forieign license, etc.) is perfectly acceptable. That means if a Hispanic looking person speaks English with a southern accent they're probably not going to question him/her. I have Hispanic famly members and I sure don't want to see them harrassed as they were born here and don't even speak Spanish. We have to trust law enforcement to do their job in the right way.

That's all we can do. Most cops don't want to be bothered with this immigration status stuff to start with. But if State laws like this force the DOJ to do their job, then the risks of racial profiling will be well worth it.

I agree. Something has to be done and the feds have failed in their constitutional obligation to keep the borders secure. I think the states should sue.

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[Guest]

my family is mexican and i support this. I am tired of seeing my people working for pennies.

i know that parties are using race for their points but I see this as stopping modern day slavery.

You are one of the few people I've seen to bring this side of the issue up. I live in Arizona, and have worked with illegals on many construction sites and they usually get the short end of the stick. For those not familiar with the situation, there is an entire underground economy set up to serve these folks who live in the shadows. There are many drop houses found, kidnappings, and other crimes from human traffickers also.

The only real way to stop illegal immigration is the profit motive needs to be removed. I'm not really certain that throwing more people in jail is going to do much good. This problem has been ignored by the politicians for over 100 years and there is not going to be an easy, overnight solution for it. A guest worker program for those who want to work might be a good place to start though. They register, they get a tax id number and pay tax like everyone else, and we bring them out of the shadows and oppression.